Getting Stronger While Cutting

[dr_skier]

Keto's just suck in my opinion, don't get me wrong, they're effective, but this time i'm trying to reduce over all daily calories and increase daily cardio as an effective weightloss method.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Keto's just suck in my opinion, don't get me wrong, they're effective, but this time i'm trying to reduce over all daily calories and increase daily cardio as an effective weightloss method.

I totally agree! I do a TKD style when contest dieting, but other than that, I simply reduce caloric intake.

My posts were just in response to the question asked.

Standard type approach I use, after maintenance for a couple weeks, do a sensible reduction in calories. I perfer no more than about 250-300 per week. This should induce no trauma on the body(and doesn't) and thus keep workout flowing along.

After about 6-7 weeks, the body "catches on" so to speak. I find it good at this time to up the calories about 10% toward maintenance, take in as mentioned in one of my above posts 100 gr. minimum of carbs to help set metabolism and just order.

Then again proceed to intelligent calorie cuts. I prefer also to add cardio slowly, making it an extension of my diet and not the other way around. Too much cardio too soon leaves no alternative but cutting more calories. This way you can use calorie cutting or cardio or a combination of both to make your calorie cuts.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

My diet may not be completly "by the book" but it's pretty damn close.

I hit a PR on back day with a deadlift of 405lbs x 2 reps. I'm getting stronger, but it's starting to level out now... except that back day I had.

No belt... but that was a mistake because my lower back is still sore.

 

[Lifterforlife]

My diet may not be completly "by the book" but it's pretty damn close.

I hit a PR on back day with a deadlift of 405lbs x 2 reps. I'm getting stronger, but it's starting to level out now... except that back day I had.

No belt... but that was a mistake because my lower back is still sore.

I have done this also, but more times than not, it was "excitement/adrenaline of the cutting process that worked. Also depended on how far I took my cut. I am talking mid single digits, competition levels. Very tough to hold strength.

When I went back to increased calories, and normal dieting, I found I actually dropped strength from my cutting stage, as I no longer had the excitement factor so to speak. I have found the mind is a pretty powerful drive.

 

[pintoca]

Lets take bob for example. Bob is doing cardio on a reduced calorie diet. Bob is looking to drop some bf%. But, Bob is still lifting weights and training hard 4-5x per week. Bob is still taking in his 300-350grams of protein (whey for half that) each day with carbs after lifting of course. Is it possible that bob will still get stonger and harder without gaining size?

entirely possible, neural adaptation. In other words, his body will learn to recruits musclefibers to do the job at hand.

It happened to me. Key is that you keep pushing your limits bit by bit and strive for PR. It takes TIME, since you are most likely doing a low carb diet of sorts.

so, yes, he can do it, and I pretty much believe that if he's doing things in the correct way, this sort of result is inevitable

 

[BLACKDOOG]

Tell Bob to use some Tren when he is cutting.

Lets take bob for example. Bob is doing cardio on a reduced calorie diet. Bob is looking to drop some bf%. But, Bob is still lifting weights and training hard 4-5x per week. Bob is still taking in his 300-350grams of protein (whey for half that) each day with carbs after lifting of course. Is it possible that bob will still get stonger and harder without gaining size?

 

[BLACKDOOG]

Can you guys post your answers in Layman terms? A little simpler so every one can understand. I know you all want to show your scientific skills but keep it simple if that is possible.

Sorry I forgot to get to this question...was looking over old questions I answered before and found this one. Hope this answers your question and makes sense.

Amino acid oxidation rates vary substantially when food intake is restricted, as they are then markedly influenced by the availability of other fuels, i.e., glucose, free fatty acids and ketone bodies (FLATT and BLACKBURN, 1976). This reflects the fact that maintenance of ATP levels takes priority in all cells, so that any available substrates will be used to regenerate ATP from ADP and phosphate.

I assume by liquid protein you mean injested protein of any kind? The body will use whatever nutrients are availale and the easiest. This is why it is imparitive to get 1.5 gr. of protein per lb. of bodyweight on a reduced calorie diet consisting of high protein/low carbs.

When only protein is consumed, nitrogen balances are less negative than during total food deprivation. Nitrogen balance can be approached even while the energy balance remains markedly negative, but substantially higher protein intakes are required. This situation is commonly encountered during a 'protein-sparing modified fast', where, after one week of adaptation, a dose of 1.5 g protein/kg body weight/d is generally sufficient to maintain nitrogen balance (LINDNER and BLACKBURN, 1976).

 

[Lifterforlife]

Can you guys post your answers in Layman terms? A little simpler so every one can understand. I know you all want to show your scientific skills but keep it simple if that is possible.

Sorry....my apologies.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

acronym break down: ATP = Adenosien Tri Phosphate (spelling is probably off though)

 

[dr_skier]

very scientific yes. Well i'm not competing or anything, just yet anyways. But I do want to get my bf to 7-8% from its current 12-13%. I think i'm doing everything right here, cut cals, timed carbs (pre and post workout), arsonal of drugs lol (T3, clen some dnp, tren and winny coming)

Currently i'm on 600mg EQ/wk and 750 test.e/wk.

I'm keeping the eq where it is, bumping test to 1000mg/wk and I'm thinking about increasing arimidex to 2mg/day (comments on this plz).

Adding in for 50days will be:
Tren 100mg/day
winny 75mg/day
possibly halo for 4 weeks at the end.

Then running out my test for 2 weeks after that, and going into full pct.