Milk. Good or bad for cut?

[Naeem]

I recently heard from my buddy that milk is bad for cutting. He mentioned something about it impairing proper thyroid function, thus inhibiting the fat burning process. I've also seen vague refrences here and there that milk in general is just not that good for you also, but never really heard anything solid on it.

I know that bodybuilders wont use dairy in general when they are getting ready for a contest, what is it in the milk that causes fat loss to slow down?

Also, my buddy told me that the proteins in milk dont process the same as regular proteins, what validity is there to this? I've read a few times that the carbs in milk dont process same as regular carbs, that they dont effect insulin levels the same. Is this equally true for the proteins as well?

 

[Stryc-9]

Milk protein is a combination of casein and whey...so I'm not sure what your friend means by a difference in digestability. Milk sugar is predominantly lactose, and while it doesn't spike insulin like dextrose might, it's still sugar. During a cutting phase, I know lots of guys who avoid milk - and it's mostly because of the sugar...essentially unwanted calories. During a bulk, and in the absence of lactose intolerance, I can't think of any good reason to avoid milk.

I have heard stories about the so-called propensity for casein (one of the proteins in milk besides whey) to cause thyroid suppression - but I believe the problem to be minimal at best in most people. If you don't exhibit any signs of intolerance to dairy - then I'd say there isn't any problem. If you notice that you have unusual mucous build-up after drinking milk - then perhaps you'd want to steer clear. Fear mongers also claim that the antiobiotics given to cow's show up in their milk - and this contributes to thyroid interactions. I would take what such people say with a grain of salt - and as I mentioned....the only reason I can see why you would avoid milk on a bulk is due to lactose intolerance.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I'm tired so I'll make this short, without any opinion of my own. I'll state the facts as accepted by modern science and let you make up your own mind, that way, no one can argue with me.

Studies on dairy and fat lose: Severak double blind studies published in peer review journals in the last 3 years show that men who eat 3-4 servings of dairy a day loose 30% more bodyfat on the same type of diet, and with the same caloric intake as non-dairy male dieters. Females, on average, lose 100% more bodyfat in the same situation. People who eat alot of dairy products while eating excess calories, gain less bodyfat than their non-dairy consuming peers.

Lactose the sugar and GI: lactose is a much lower GI carb than brown rice, sweet potatoes, oats and whole wheat bread. However, it still has a less complex structure than starches, and is classified as a sugar.

Dairy products and your thyroid: no studies have show evidence that milk slows down the thyroid, as of yet. However current research suggests that it increases insulin sensitivity.

 

[Texas Ranger]

So, in other words, Naeem. BBF, is saying that it's a VERY good idea to include dairy products while dieting...

 

[Texas Ranger]

Plus, your Protein Shakes will taste ALOT better with Skim Milk. LOL!!

 

[KWKSLVR]

I treat it like many other things when cutting, sometimes moderation is the key. I'm not a big fan of milk anyway so any that I drink is an effort .

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

i think the reason it's taken out of pre contest diets is because some people experience water retention from dairy, whilst it doesnt mean you're not losing or gaining body fat, it just means you have excess subcutaneous water which you dont want on a show

 

[Naeem]

Yeah pretty much what I thought as well. Good to have it cleared up though. Thanks guys.

I get the farts when I drink too much milk, is that a sign of lactose intolerance? Is it anything serious? Or is it like beans, where the enzymes simply cannot break down in your intestines and cause it?

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

Yeah pretty much what I thought as well. Good to have it cleared up though. Thanks guys.

I get the farts when I drink too much milk, is that a sign of lactose intolerance? Is it anything serious? Or is it like beans, where the enzymes simply cannot break down in your intestines and cause it?

quite possiblye, i myself am mildly lactose intollerant. If i have too much my stomach churns and i get pains and cramps

 

[beefybull]

Milk is a no-no while on a ketogenic diet.

Skim milk is a clean, no fat source of protein & carbs on a non-keto diet. Whole/Vitamin D milk is the best tasting, but 2 cups have the fat of a Snickers, so its probably not the best to drink unless you have the genetics to be lean (or you're bulking and just dont give a fizzle).