THose of you who drink fast carbs DURING your workout

[JKurz1]

i'm curious to know how big you guys are that don't agree with the carbs (and protein) before/during training. fess up guys, what's your stats?

i'll bet the bros that are doing the nutrition before/during training have better stats...any takers?

i'll start: 6'2", 265#, 12% (bf% by my own estimation, but i have a pretty good feel for it and i'm honest ).

i only say this because I KNOW that smart nutrition works, because it's worked on me, and by 'smart' i mean the right types of macronutrients at the right times.

my comments are -- as always -- with due respect to everyone elses on this board.

How are you judging??????? Just because your big, does that mean it works BETTER???? Cmon..........Well, I'm 6'2, 205 and hovering around 7%........that was at the end of October..........

 

[RussianRocket]

BINGO!

Did you discover a new element, bro? I thought this stuff was common knowledge amongst the bodybuilding community. What we have people drinking gatorade during their workouts now? They need to stop smoking crack.

 

[Ulter]

A new element. That’s pretty funny. You’re still in High School and not old enough to even be a member here so I would lighten up before you're asked to leave. Jkurtz1 is dead wrong about almost everything he posted. Training on a empty stomach is a common MYTH not common knowledge. And NOT rehydrating properly and adding back glucose and electrolytes while training is ridiculous.

Let’s start with Gatorade.

Gatorade serves several purposes. First it rehydrates you. Water? No sorry moron, “water turns off thirst prematurely and turns on the kidneys. As a result, research shows that people drink less water than they need during exercise.


” The lower whole body rehydration observed with DC compared with CE (Gatorade) and Water compared with CE (Gatorade) was due mostly to greater urine formation (170 ± 102 vs. 483 ± 91 ml, p < 0.05, n - 10; and 505 ± 61 vs. 339 ± 61 ml, p < 0.05, n = 19, respectively). The decline in blood volume as a result of exercise was not restored during the rehydration period by ingesting DC and Water, whereas blood volume was fully restored with CE (Gatorade) ingestion (p < 0.05).”

Rehydration after Exercise with Common Beverages and Water
Authors: J. González-Alonso, C.L. Heaps, E.F. Coyle
Date: 1992
Publication: Int. J. Sports Med., Vol. 13, No. 5, pp 339-406

Next is electrolytes. Leave them out and you’re begging for a cramp or other injury. There are no electrolytes in water and you need to keep them in you while you train. Of course if you don’t train hard none of this may make any difference and that may be why the teenagers here don’t notice it.

Last is the glucose issue. Most people who eat a small meal before training go through whatever glucose they have in the first half of the training. Muscle glycogen in 2 minutes with weights, and 10 on the tread. If you want to slow down half way through and let your body pull fat and protein to convert to energy then by all means don’t use Gatorade. If however you wish to continue with the same amount of glucose available that you started with then you’re better off with Gatorade. This will result in increasing stamina at the end to finish harder.



“The first source of energy to be used for any movement, like when you get up and walk to the door, is called ATP (adenosine triphosphate). Less time and oxygen is needed to break down muscle glycogen into ATP, than would be the case with fat, or protein.

During anaerobic activity, carbohydrates can be converted into ATP up to five times quicker than fat can. This explains why you need to do low intensity exercise for an extended period if you want to burn fat. It is also true that a fitter person can more readily use fat as an energy source than an unfit one.””
“Now the question is: When should I take carbs; before, during, or after my training session? The answer is all three. But certainly muscle glycogen is more readily available to be converted to ATP than blood glucose. And also, the enzyme called hexokinase, which is responsible for the conversion of blood glucose to glycogen, is the limiting factor. So the most important portion of carbohydrates would then be the muscle glycogen. These are the carbohydrates that had been replenished following the end of the previous workout, right up to the start of the next one.”
Ultimate Sports Nutrition






"Eat a small meal containing protein and carbohydrates 1 hour before your workouts. This will prevent low blood sugar levels and keep your energy up.

Always drink plenty of water during your workouts, or you can drink a carbohydrate drink such as Gatorade. Drinking lots of fluids will prevent dehydration and allow you to train harder. I carry a water bottle with me and sip it in between each set of my workout. "

Lee Hayward
Total Fitness Body Building

 

[JKurz1]

Who in the hell said anything about training on an empty stomach? Why don't you ask me before you draw your dumb ass conclusions..........all I said was that I am totally against consuming calories DURING training.........I ALWAYS have a moderate, slow digest, low g.i. meal of carbs and protein about 1.5 hours before I train..........



Post workout - I IIMMEDIATELY consume a high g.i beverage (glucose) with whey.......

 

[Joe Stenson]

I hardly think it matters. It's not like the people drinking Gatorade during their workout are going to gain 10X the muscle someone not drinking it will, or vice versa. If one method were better, the difference would be so negligible that it would take years for any kind of appreciable difference to develop.

 

[40butpumpin]

this, i think, is a good read...for anyone who's interested in using carbs and protein before and during training.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi54.htm

 

[Ulter]

Who in the hell said anything about training on an empty stomach? Why don't you ask me before you draw your dumb ass conclusions..........all I said was that I am totally against consuming calories DURING training.........I ALWAYS have a moderate, slow digest, low g.i. meal of carbs and protein about 1.5 hours before I train..........



Post workout - I IIMMEDIATELY consume a high g.i beverage (glucose) with whey.......

Dumbass? YOU are calling ME dumbass? oook

I didn't say that training on an empty stomach was YOUR idea. Dumbass.

You're totally against consuming any calories during training. That's yours. That's wrong. And I just went to a lot of trouble to explain to your dumbass why it's wrong. Taking in glucose as you train hard is a good idea.

 

[wutangnomo]

Before I used to eat some complex carbs + protein before a workout, then only water during training, then a lot of simple carbs + protein post-workout.

I've switched to something else now. I still eat complex carbs + protein before a workout, but I now drink some simple carbs DURING workout and still (but not as much) simple carbs + protein post-workout.

In other words,

before ------> during nothing, post a whole lot
after--------> during some, post some

Instead of beating my head over the issue I find this is the best way. Also, I see no point in consuming SIMPLE carbs BEFORE a workout because that would only lead to fatigue in the middle of workout when insulin levels crash (since it is spiked before the workout... then it would fall just as hard)

Complex carbs before workout, some simple carbs during workout, some simple carbs post-workout.

 

[RussianRocket]

Ulter, how about you stop attacking my age, huh? I have just as much right to learn and discuss here as everyone else. What you posted is fine and dandy, I should know myself, having competed in elite tennis in the past, the importance of carbs during training for energy. However, when training for hypertrophy, it is wise to avoid an insulin spike DURING training. When I asked you this, you gave me some inconclusive crap about how its more important to have energy while you train than an optimal output of GH.

And what's this crap about teenagers being inable to train "hard"?

You're good with sales pitches, though. I'll give you that. Gatorade sales will go up. Even though its full of shit like glucose and corn syrup, thats OKAY since now we got Glucorell-R!

Electrolytes? Put some salt and potassium in your water bottle, for gods sake. Problem solved.

 

[RussianRocket]

Gatorade Ingredients: water, sucrose syrup, glucose-fructose syrup, citric acid, natural flavors , salt, sodium citrate, monopotassium phosphate, red #40, ester gum, sunflower oil

Yum, yum!