What Happened to Pyramids lots of Test/Dbol/Winn Stack Questions

[DrAtypical]

Hopefully the experts will chime in but its been 10 years since my last cycle and things seem to have changed especially in the how a cycle is stacked....What happened to pyramids? 10 years ago a cycle of sust 250, dbol, var, and was a group of overlapping pyramids with the dbol coming in fast then tapering off quickly the sust peaking in the middle and the var trailing in the end followed by PCT which I think was a bunch of proviron back then but I cant remember.

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Background
6'4" 256 LBS carrying about 17% Fat right now.
Age 36
Sensitive to Gyno and HDL/LDL ratios arent the best.
I'm not a bodybuilder but I do need a cut and I've recently gone back to MMA training (6 months ago)..and will be rejoining the fight circuit in 8 months professionally.

Goals are 245-250 Solid Offseason 225 Near competition 206 post water weight loss.

Train Boxing/MMA 5 days a week 1-3hrs a day. lift 5 days a week. Extra Cardio on the weekends 1 hr.

Here's my real question - Supplier's stack is this

1-12 Test E 500/week
1-12 50mg Dbol
1-12 20mg Winn
1-12 Hcg 1.25cc/week
12-16 Hcg 2.5cc/week, clomid

This seems totally wrong from what I knew before 10 years ago this would have looked like

1-6 Ramp Test from 250wk - 750/week
6-12 Ramp Test down to 250 week reverse
1 Dbol 20mg
2-8 Dbol 70mg tapered back to 20 mg
7-12 Winn 30mg/day
13 - Hcg daily
13-16 Proviron/clomid

Cals are up to about 3600/day and Body is fighting 80g/protien but we're getting there...lots of fish oil, aspirin, creatine, vitamin multi/1day...couple of shots of red wine before bed (BP is 140/100 on the test so far)

I like the synergy of stacking the dbol with the winn and maybe limiting the bloat but this cycle seems unnecessarily harsh on the liver.

Recommendations? I'd rather cut this back to 10 weeks as well and minimize liver toxicity.

4 days into the test - no orals yet...blood pressure is way too high so gotta do some dietary changes....anybody run blood press meds or cholestrol meds as a part of a cycle?

 

[25homes]

Your lay out better than supplier with his cycle you will need a liver transplant at end as well. I'd do this
Test 600mg 1-12weeks
Dbal 50mg ed 1-5 weeks
Winny 50mg ed 7-12 weeks
Keep pct same except run hcg weeks 6-8
Have clomid, nolva, proviron at end for pct keep some thing like arimedex, aromasin, on hand just in case
Also get milk thistle and liv 52 for liver and I'd get cranberry pills as well help kidneys.
D oingcycle this way give liver couple week break in middle as well if really concerned can cut dbal to 4 weeks and start winny week 8

 

[daveyboy2345]

the above cycle looks good. IMHO though id run the winny weeks 9-14 then jump into pct the very next day. Skip the proviron, and use Osta Sarms, clomid, creatine for Pct only everything else is just added expense imho. I like to use Clomid 100 mgs week 1, 75 mgs weekk 2, then 50mgs for the next 4-6 weeks thereafter. Osta Sarms will really help you hold onto your gains big time! 12.5 mgs day for 6-8 weeks pct.

 

[DrAtypical]

Thanks a lot...awesome info....

Am I on the right track with my goals? I like the changes to the PCT and I feel way way better about giving the liver a break for sure.

Any comments on pyramiding...doesn't seem to be done anymore... was it just a waste 10 years ago to ramp up and then back down?

Thanks again...appreciate the comments.

 

[25homes]

Goals are in line. I will pyramid my test slightly some times if mgs are high.enough for what your planning don't worry about it just go how I laid out bro

 

[wiley79]

12 weeks of winny and dbol? I have never heard of that.