Explain to me what is happening when you wait too long to eat, want to die, but then it passes?

[Sassy69]

Energy stored as fat is the last resort in your bodies line of defence when you are in 'panic/famine/starvation' mode.


You must fuel the furnace to burn the fat. Damn, woman, you KNOW this shit as well or better than anyone else I know!

Deficit to little, to little progress to keep your sanity.
Deficit just right, you drop between one and two lbs of bf/week, less is more, more means LBM loss.
Deficit too much, you lose NO bodyfat and even risk puttin more ON in cases of extreme cal. deficit, even though you are functionally starving yourself.

I got this exact conversation again tonight, seems like every day, "XXXX, why cant i lose this fat around my midsection/ass/upperthighs? I am training 1.25 hours of cardio a day, six days a week, and lift heavy four days a week! My diet is pretty damn good too!"

'pretty damn good' means 'I have no idea what my diet is or how much deficit i am running.


"Well, how much to you eat? you dont know? lets figger it out. (pause, fitday opens...) well, lets see, it looks like you are expending near 3200 cals a day and only eating 1200. Maybe you are in too great a deficit? *politely smirking*


You can train as much or as long and intensly as you want. Even four or five hours a day.... you just have to FUEL that effort with a great enough supply of nutrients to maintain FEAST mode or you go boom.

Right -- but you get my question right? I'm not saying I do this regularly & then cry about my progress--- I want to know what happens in that period of time when my body has been tuned to expect food but maybe doens't get it exactly at that point. It has nothign to do w/ today, my progress or anythign else - I just want to know how that works ---there's maybe a 10 minute period where something is going on when the last meal's food has been metabolized -- what starts to happen then?

My background is in the physical sciences, not the bio sciences so I'm not the expert here. Just want to understand it.

 

[Ghede]

Right -- but you get my question right? I'm not saying I do this regularly & then cry about my progress--- I want to know what happens in that period of time when my body has been tuned to expect food but maybe doens't get it exactly at that point. It has nothign to do w/ today, my progress or anythign else - I just want to know how that works ---there's maybe a 10 minute period where something is going on when the last meal's food has been metabolized -- what starts to happen then?

My background is in the physical sciences, not the bio sciences so I'm not the expert here. Just want to understand it.

ohhhh MACROOOOOO!!!!

Somebody shine the nal on that cloud and get Macro in here, stat!

 

[Triple-G]

the bare minimum of glucose a human needs daily is around 72 grams. This is what a part of the brain and the peripheral nervous system needs in form of glucose. Other nerve cells can also use ketones- at least after they have been conditioned to do so, this can take 2-3 weeks (therefore Atkins induction phase lasts 2 weeks minimum).

Other cell mitochonidra like muscle cells can be fueled by ATP, regardless of its souce, triglycerides (fat) and glucose being equal here.

every daily intake of under 72g glucose (or ~120 grams coming from a regular diet) triggers conversion of protein to glucose (gluconeogensis). The protein is taken from the amino acid pool, which consists of broken down muscle protein and ingested protein. Whether you gain or lose muscle is primarily a result of the amount of messenger RNA to build muscle protein is produced and of how much protein is in the amino acid pool- whatever is lower.

the problem with losing muscle mass is a diet is mostly related to decreased training intensity during a diet. losing muscle mass because of a lack of protein should only happen in a very low calorie diet or with low protein - high carb.

but of course hormones do also play a big role in the prevention of catabolic processes. i personally would never diet without keeping testosterone levels artificially high. one can try a form of a cyclic ketogenic diet though which increases testosterone output on refeed days to a certain amount.

if you want to get rid of this low sugar carb craving effect of delayed eating you might do Atkins induction (20g carbs/day) for 2-3 weeks. This should train a good amount of cells to proper utilize ketones and fat. i had this in the past also but after eating ketogenic for half a year several years ago i can go the whole day w/o food and feel great. i even train on an empty stomach better then when i would eat a breakfast. Dr. DiPasquale describes this as switching the body from a primarily glucose burning to a primarily fat burning machine.