Approved Log My Orals-Only Pre-Cycle LOG

[Vadim Fedorov]

At your age, blood work doesn't really mean as much as you think.

Your body is still developing.

 

[wootoom]

You absolutely need to get blood work before you start this.
I would also recommend donating blood.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

@FishyAnchovy any updates bro?

 

[ballin2504]

Nice start to the log.

 

[RoySimpson]

Good Afternoon All,

First off, thank you all for the overwhelming support and feedback I got on my first post, "Orals Only as 1st Cycle". A lot of you suggested a log. I am currently pre-cycle and open to feedback on everything.

Some basic info about me -
Sex: Male
Age: 22
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 155 lbs
Body Fat: 8.1-8.7%
Years Lifting: ~5, started lifting in my Senior Year weightlifting class (Was 121lbs) & been lifting consistently (4+ days a week) since.
Sleep: In bed by 20:00 -> Alarm 04:30 on Weekdays, In bed by 23:00 -> Alarm 08:00 on Weekends.

Spoiler: A longer Bio on me & my reasons

Let's start from the beginning this time:

When I was very young, my parents got divorced. I have an older brother, and instead of shared custody, I went with my mom and he went with my dad. I mention this because my mom went through a bunch of exotic diets while I was around 10, and kept them up for several years. Pescetarian, Paleo, Keto, and other odd, low-calorie low-meat diets that are meant to help ageing women stay thin and look young. She forced her dietary habits on me, a pubescent boy. When I was about 12 she went vegan. The only meat I got to eat was in the school cafeteria.

My old driver's license I got when I was 16 records my weight at 121 lbs and my height as 6'1. I can almost garauntee you my puberty was stunted, and comparing my face now to how it was when I was younger, it's scary how little has changed. I wear a moustache now, but without it, I look almost exactly like how I did when I was a preteen, dimples and all. In high school, I was effectively entering the dating pool like trying to run a marathon in dress shoes. Needless to say, I missed out on teen love. I've outgrown that phase, of course, but this was a source of deep resentment for me that plagued my high school and early college life, and turned me into quite a bitter cynic.

I got a job around 18 where I was able to start buying myself food and a LA Fitness membership, and I enrolled myself in an elective weightlifting class. This is where I started learning how to lift, and also where I started learning truly just how far behind I was from my peers. I was barely able to bench the bar, and I triumphed that at the end of the semester I was able to put a 10lb plate on each side and bench 65lbs for 3. I started a modest calorie surplus of ~300, and all the media I consumed pointed me towards a 'permanent clean bulk', a very long-term, small calorie surplus that would slowly but surely manifest in bigger numbers and bigger muscles.

Fast-forward to college, where I started putting on weight quite rapidly. I went from a solid 130-ish lbs to 150-ish within a year or two, and my luck dating turned around. However, I still kind of struggled to fit in, being generally unathletic and self-conscious. I could bench ~115 for 3, and I was closing in on 1pl8. I peaked weighing around 163 lbs, and in my Jr. Year, I joined my Uni's boxing club, and I was really enjoying myself. I got faster, running a 6:49 mile, I got a little lighter (my coach wanted me in middleweight @ 160lbs), and I got a lot smarter when it came to fitness and nutrition. I started a nutrition plan with meal prep and started counting macros as well as calories.

In my Senior year I went into my first actual ring match and I lost, hard. I got hooked pretty hard in the button and fell forward, and wasn't able to break my fall in time, splitting my nose open and taking me out of both contact sports and weightlifting for the entire rest of my time in Uni. Through this time I went all the way back down to 144lbs from a combination of a liquid only diet and a general lack of upkeep on my body.

I am now out of school, and I've crawled my way back up to 155lbs. I still have an extremely fast metabolism (~2700 maintenance calories), and so maintaining a bulk is extremely difficult to do healthily, cheaply, and quickly. I also struggle with appetite, having been genuinely prescribed Ibutamoren (also known as MK 677) for that period of rapid weight loss I outlined before. I was also prescribed prednisone for a post-surgical recovery, and upon googling it, I started looking into the world of steroids. My Ibutamoren ran out (but worked great) and my doctor didn't want to prescribe it again, bleh. I learned a lot, but never ended up pulling the trigger.

I did my research, watched a lot of Renaissance Periodization and cycle advice, but it was clear from the feedback on my last post that I'm nowhere near learned enough to consider starting a cycle now.

Remember my brother, by the way? He's 25 now, a Pilot for the Marines, and engaged to a cover-girl.

Spoiler: Here's what he looked like at 23:

View attachment 150167

Turns out, he's been living the life I've always dreamed of having from day one. My dad remarried and raised him right. He was a Linebacker in his HS Football team, had NROTC pay for his education, and now, he scrapes the stars in an F-35. I am both extremely proud of him and extremely jealous of him at the same time. I know not all of it can be blamed on how we were raised, seeing as we've both had years now outside of the influence of our parents to 'even out', so to speak. However, we are from the same blood. We have near identical genetic potential, and the fact that he was able to realize his (and I was not) has made me even more resentful and bitter towards my upbringing. I tried to comission into the Air Force when I was 18, by the way. I didn't physically qualify. I did Air Force ROTC in College, but I didn't make the cut and I never got an Enrollment Allocation for Field Training. I have always dreamed of becoming a Fighter Pilot (having sunk nearly 3,600 hours in DCS), and it causes me immense pain to know that I'm not worthy.

I feel like I did everything right, as soon as I could. I stuck to a surplus. I lifted weights. My numbers went up, I improved. But I didn't improve fast enough and I started so far behind that all my dreams passed me by. Did any of you watch the movie Gattaca? I re-watched it over my Christmas leave and it has had such a profound impact on me. I feel like an In-Valid. Unable to overcome. Like Vincent, all I have ever wanted to be is like my bigger brother, and yet, I never was. I have tried and tried and tried. For four, closing in on five years, I have done what I was supposed to, and it just wasn't quite enough.

Like Vincent, I am willing to do whatever it takes to realize my potential. Consequences be damned.

Here is my current dietary plan:
Daily Goal: 3150 Kcal
Macro Targets: 50% Carbs, 22% Protein, 28% Fat. This adds up to ~395g Carbs, 175g Protein (1 g/lb of target weight), 100g Fat.
I take a food scale with me wherever I go and weigh out everything I eat, and log it all in MyNetDiary.
Supplements: Creatine (5g daily), Sports Multivitamin (1 tab daily), Magnesium + Zinc (1 cap daily).

Spoiler: Past 7 Days Macro Profile

View attachment 150166

Here is my current workout routine: Pull-Push-Legs-Cardio-Pull-Push-Fullbody-Rest

I log all my lifts in an app called "Liftoff".

Spoiler: Full Routine Here

When referring to the exercise I perform, 3x = 3 working sets, 4x = 4 working sets, etc.

Pull 1 (Lats, Lateral Delts, Traps):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
3x Pull Ups
4x Seated Cable Row
3x Barbell Shrug
3x Dumbbell Lateral Raise
4x Cable Upright Row

Push 1 (Chest (Clavicular & Sternoccostal), Triceps, Biceps):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
4x Incline DB Bench Press
4x Machine Chest Fly
3x Barbell Curl
3x Dips
3x One Arm Tricep Extension

Legs 1 (Quads, Hams, Calves, Forearms):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
4x Squat
3x Hack Squat Calf Raise
3x Lying Leg Curl
5x Dumbbell Wrist Curl
4x Hack Squat

Cardio (Modified Murph Workout):
3x Circuit of:
{1 mi. Run
50 Push Ups
100 Air Squats
50 Sit Ups}

Pull 2 (Lats, Posterior Delts, Anterior Delts, Traps):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
3x Pull Ups
4x Chest Supported DB Row
3x Barbell Front Raise
3x DB Shrugs
4x Cable Face Pulls

Push 2 (Chest (Clavicular), Triceps, Biceps, Abs):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
4x Close Grip Bench Press
3x Incline DB Curl
3x Incline DB Bench Press
3x Decline Sit-Up w/ Oblique Twist
4x Lying Tricep Extension

Fullbody (Compounds)
3x Bench Press
3x Back Squat
3x Deadlift
3x Barbell OHP
3x Front Squat

----

For gear, I was thinking of doing 6 weeks of Ibutamoren + Anavar + Enclomiphene, but people have questioned running Enclomiphene on-cycle. I plan on running Enclomiphene because, as far as I am aware, Anavar starts shutting down Test production immediately, but because it activates IGF-1 so strongly, you don't notice it until you get off-cycle. I reasoned that Enclomiphene would prevent the shutdown and keep Test production high throughout the cycle. If I am wrong please correct me on this.

This is my current full-cycle plan, which I can modify according to feedback:

Weeks 1&6
25mg Var
15mg 677
12.5mg Enclo

Weeks 2-5
50mg Var
15mg 677
25mg Enclo

At the time of writing, have not bought any of these substances yet, and I don't plan on starting the cycle for at least another month. This is beacuse all of my diet/lifting knowledge is entirely oriented towards natty solo lifting with a clean bulk. Some of you have suggested running SARMs only, though I have read that SARMs really hurt your liver and kidneys, and are more 'dangerous' in terms of immediate health risk than injectables. Additionally, I don't want something that will have crazy sides, like I know RAD140 has the potential to cause Jaundice and acute liver damage with as little as 15mg/d over 5 weeks according to several case studies and hepatology reports.

I am getting bloodwork done on Monday (1/13). I'll get results back soon after. I have always suspected myself of being Testosterone deficient, but I do not recall ever having bloodwork done in the past to confirm this. We will see.

@FishyAnchovy awesome log right here!

 

[FishyAnchovy]

UPDATE:

Good Morning All,

After logging a full week of this training schedule, here are my numbers:

1/13
1 mi. Run: 8.7 mph // 6:49
Seated Cable Row: 145x8 // 1RM 165
Cable Upright Row: 57.5x8 // 1RM 70
Barbell Front Raise: 30x8 // 1RM 40
Barbell Shrug: 165x8 // 1RM 185

1/11
1 mi. Run: 8.6 mph // 6:54
Close Grip Bench Press: 95x8 // 1RM 115
Lying Barbell Tricep Extension: 50x10 // 1RM 65
Incline DB Bench: 35x12 // 1RM 45
Incline DB Curl: 25x8 // 1RM 35

1/10
1 mi. Run: 8.6 mph // 6:54
Pull Ups: 7
Chest Supported DB Row: 35x6 // 1RM 45
DB Lateral Raise: 15x12 // 1RM 20
DB Shrug: 50x20 // 1RM 85
1 Arm Lat Pulldown: 70x6 // 1RM 85

1/9
1 mi. Run: 8.3 mph // 7:16
1 mi. Run: 7.8 mph // 7:42
1 mi. Run: 6.8 mph // 8:49

1/8
1 mi. Run: 8.7 mph // 6:49
Squat: 135x8 (ATG) // 1RM 165 (ATG)
Sled Leg Press: 225x6 // 1RM 265
Hack Squat Calf Raise: 200x10 // 1RM 265
Lying Leg Curl: 115x12 // 1RM 160

1/7
1 mi. Run: 8.6 mph // 6:54
Hi-Lo Cable Fly: 35x6 // 1RM 40
Barbell Curl: 55x10 // 1RM 75
Dips: 12 (3+ RIR)
Incline DB Bench Press: 40x6 // 1RM 45

1/6
0.5 mi. Run: 9.0 mph // 3:20
Lat Pulldown: 120x8 // 1RM 155
Standing DB Curl: 30x6 // 1RM 35
Decline Sit Up: 15x10 (added weight)

Standby for Caloric info.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Good Afternoon All,

First off, thank you all for the overwhelming support and feedback I got on my first post, "Orals Only as 1st Cycle". A lot of you suggested a log. I am currently pre-cycle and open to feedback on everything.

Some basic info about me -
Sex: Male
Age: 22
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 155 lbs
Body Fat: 8.1-8.7%
Years Lifting: ~5, started lifting in my Senior Year weightlifting class (Was 121lbs) & been lifting consistently (4+ days a week) since.
Sleep: In bed by 20:00 -> Alarm 04:30 on Weekdays, In bed by 23:00 -> Alarm 08:00 on Weekends.

Spoiler: A longer Bio on me & my reasons

Let's start from the beginning this time:

When I was very young, my parents got divorced. I have an older brother, and instead of shared custody, I went with my mom and he went with my dad. I mention this because my mom went through a bunch of exotic diets while I was around 10, and kept them up for several years. Pescetarian, Paleo, Keto, and other odd, low-calorie low-meat diets that are meant to help ageing women stay thin and look young. She forced her dietary habits on me, a pubescent boy. When I was about 12 she went vegan. The only meat I got to eat was in the school cafeteria.

My old driver's license I got when I was 16 records my weight at 121 lbs and my height as 6'1. I can almost garauntee you my puberty was stunted, and comparing my face now to how it was when I was younger, it's scary how little has changed. I wear a moustache now, but without it, I look almost exactly like how I did when I was a preteen, dimples and all. In high school, I was effectively entering the dating pool like trying to run a marathon in dress shoes. Needless to say, I missed out on teen love. I've outgrown that phase, of course, but this was a source of deep resentment for me that plagued my high school and early college life, and turned me into quite a bitter cynic.

I got a job around 18 where I was able to start buying myself food and a LA Fitness membership, and I enrolled myself in an elective weightlifting class. This is where I started learning how to lift, and also where I started learning truly just how far behind I was from my peers. I was barely able to bench the bar, and I triumphed that at the end of the semester I was able to put a 10lb plate on each side and bench 65lbs for 3. I started a modest calorie surplus of ~300, and all the media I consumed pointed me towards a 'permanent clean bulk', a very long-term, small calorie surplus that would slowly but surely manifest in bigger numbers and bigger muscles.

Fast-forward to college, where I started putting on weight quite rapidly. I went from a solid 130-ish lbs to 150-ish within a year or two, and my luck dating turned around. However, I still kind of struggled to fit in, being generally unathletic and self-conscious. I could bench ~115 for 3, and I was closing in on 1pl8. I peaked weighing around 163 lbs, and in my Jr. Year, I joined my Uni's boxing club, and I was really enjoying myself. I got faster, running a 6:49 mile, I got a little lighter (my coach wanted me in middleweight @ 160lbs), and I got a lot smarter when it came to fitness and nutrition. I started a nutrition plan with meal prep and started counting macros as well as calories.

In my Senior year I went into my first actual ring match and I lost, hard. I got hooked pretty hard in the button and fell forward, and wasn't able to break my fall in time, splitting my nose open and taking me out of both contact sports and weightlifting for the entire rest of my time in Uni. Through this time I went all the way back down to 144lbs from a combination of a liquid only diet and a general lack of upkeep on my body.

I am now out of school, and I've crawled my way back up to 155lbs. I still have an extremely fast metabolism (~2700 maintenance calories), and so maintaining a bulk is extremely difficult to do healthily, cheaply, and quickly. I also struggle with appetite, having been genuinely prescribed Ibutamoren (also known as MK 677) for that period of rapid weight loss I outlined before. I was also prescribed prednisone for a post-surgical recovery, and upon googling it, I started looking into the world of steroids. My Ibutamoren ran out (but worked great) and my doctor didn't want to prescribe it again, bleh. I learned a lot, but never ended up pulling the trigger.

I did my research, watched a lot of Renaissance Periodization and cycle advice, but it was clear from the feedback on my last post that I'm nowhere near learned enough to consider starting a cycle now.

Remember my brother, by the way? He's 25 now, a Pilot for the Marines, and engaged to a cover-girl.

Spoiler: Here's what he looked like at 23:

View attachment 150167

Turns out, he's been living the life I've always dreamed of having from day one. My dad remarried and raised him right. He was a Linebacker in his HS Football team, had NROTC pay for his education, and now, he scrapes the stars in an F-35. I am both extremely proud of him and extremely jealous of him at the same time. I know not all of it can be blamed on how we were raised, seeing as we've both had years now outside of the influence of our parents to 'even out', so to speak. However, we are from the same blood. We have near identical genetic potential, and the fact that he was able to realize his (and I was not) has made me even more resentful and bitter towards my upbringing. I tried to comission into the Air Force when I was 18, by the way. I didn't physically qualify. I did Air Force ROTC in College, but I didn't make the cut and I never got an Enrollment Allocation for Field Training. I have always dreamed of becoming a Fighter Pilot (having sunk nearly 3,600 hours in DCS), and it causes me immense pain to know that I'm not worthy.

I feel like I did everything right, as soon as I could. I stuck to a surplus. I lifted weights. My numbers went up, I improved. But I didn't improve fast enough and I started so far behind that all my dreams passed me by. Did any of you watch the movie Gattaca? I re-watched it over my Christmas leave and it has had such a profound impact on me. I feel like an In-Valid. Unable to overcome. Like Vincent, all I have ever wanted to be is like my bigger brother, and yet, I never was. I have tried and tried and tried. For four, closing in on five years, I have done what I was supposed to, and it just wasn't quite enough.

Like Vincent, I am willing to do whatever it takes to realize my potential. Consequences be damned.

Here is my current dietary plan:
Daily Goal: 3150 Kcal
Macro Targets: 50% Carbs, 22% Protein, 28% Fat. This adds up to ~395g Carbs, 175g Protein (1 g/lb of target weight), 100g Fat.
I take a food scale with me wherever I go and weigh out everything I eat, and log it all in MyNetDiary.
Supplements: Creatine (5g daily), Sports Multivitamin (1 tab daily), Magnesium + Zinc (1 cap daily).

Spoiler: Past 7 Days Macro Profile

View attachment 150166

Here is my current workout routine: Pull-Push-Legs-Cardio-Pull-Push-Fullbody-Rest

I log all my lifts in an app called "Liftoff".

Spoiler: Full Routine Here

When referring to the exercise I perform, 3x = 3 working sets, 4x = 4 working sets, etc.

Pull 1 (Lats, Lateral Delts, Traps):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
3x Pull Ups
4x Seated Cable Row
3x Barbell Shrug
3x Dumbbell Lateral Raise
4x Cable Upright Row

Push 1 (Chest (Clavicular & Sternoccostal), Triceps, Biceps):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
4x Incline DB Bench Press
4x Machine Chest Fly
3x Barbell Curl
3x Dips
3x One Arm Tricep Extension

Legs 1 (Quads, Hams, Calves, Forearms):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
4x Squat
3x Hack Squat Calf Raise
3x Lying Leg Curl
5x Dumbbell Wrist Curl
4x Hack Squat

Cardio (Modified Murph Workout):
3x Circuit of:
{1 mi. Run
50 Push Ups
100 Air Squats
50 Sit Ups}

Pull 2 (Lats, Posterior Delts, Anterior Delts, Traps):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
3x Pull Ups
4x Chest Supported DB Row
3x Barbell Front Raise
3x DB Shrugs
4x Cable Face Pulls

Push 2 (Chest (Clavicular), Triceps, Biceps, Abs):
1 mi. Run (Warm Up)
4x Close Grip Bench Press
3x Incline DB Curl
3x Incline DB Bench Press
3x Decline Sit-Up w/ Oblique Twist
4x Lying Tricep Extension

Fullbody (Compounds)
3x Bench Press
3x Back Squat
3x Deadlift
3x Barbell OHP
3x Front Squat

----

For gear, I was thinking of doing 6 weeks of Ibutamoren + Anavar + Enclomiphene, but people have questioned running Enclomiphene on-cycle. I plan on running Enclomiphene because, as far as I am aware, Anavar starts shutting down Test production immediately, but because it activates IGF-1 so strongly, you don't notice it until you get off-cycle. I reasoned that Enclomiphene would prevent the shutdown and keep Test production high throughout the cycle. If I am wrong please correct me on this.

This is my current full-cycle plan, which I can modify according to feedback:

Weeks 1&6
25mg Var
15mg 677
12.5mg Enclo

Weeks 2-5
50mg Var
15mg 677
25mg Enclo

At the time of writing, have not bought any of these substances yet, and I don't plan on starting the cycle for at least another month. This is beacuse all of my diet/lifting knowledge is entirely oriented towards natty solo lifting with a clean bulk. Some of you have suggested running SARMs only, though I have read that SARMs really hurt your liver and kidneys, and are more 'dangerous' in terms of immediate health risk than injectables. Additionally, I don't want something that will have crazy sides, like I know RAD140 has the potential to cause Jaundice and acute liver damage with as little as 15mg/d over 5 weeks according to several case studies and hepatology reports.

I am getting bloodwork done on Monday (1/13). I'll get results back soon after. I have always suspected myself of being Testosterone deficient, but I do not recall ever having bloodwork done in the past to confirm this. We will see.

@FishyAnchovy Great start to the log bro........

 

[FishyAnchovy]

Cycle
I would not ramp up the anavar, I would start with 50mgs and push it.
You also need organ liver support n2guard with this, its a must
Enclomiphene you dont need on cycle, you need it in PCT with some hcgenerate to recover your test levels, mod that.
If yo uwant to add sarms you should get something light like gw.

Can you please share a picture of you face blurred so we can see your base, thanks

Please share more day to day information with us.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

Taking this feedback into account this is what I am looking at:

Pre-Cycle/0 week:
none atm

Weeks 1-6:
50mg Var
15mg MK 677
1 Cap n2guard

Weeks 7-10:
12.5mg Enclo
1 Cap HCGenerate

Supplements:
Currently only Nutricost Micronized Creatine, NowSport's ZMA caps, & Muscletech Platinum multi.

I notice some have been taking Cialis on cycle. What is the logic behind this? Purely for recreation, or is there some benefit?
I also notice some have been taking this cardio support pre-workout (I forget the brand name). Again, what exactly does it do for you over your standard preworkout?

I currently use Wave, a clinically-dosed pre-workout that links to literature behind every ingredient they use. I typically have similarily high standards for performance supplements because they are more often than not just snake oil. I understand not everyone has the patience to read studies but I've got more time than money at this point and I'm looking to not buy supplements with unclear links to performance. Over the weekend I will do a more thorough review of the studies I read to come to my conclusions on supplementation & gear, and summarize them in a post.

Generally, I go by the philosophy of 'less = more'. Less gear = less interactions = more predictable sides. Less supplementation = less confouding variables = more direct link to performance. Earlier in the IGF-1 pathway = less impact on the HPA = less shutdown for same muscle growth.

I truly believe it is possible, or that it will eventually be possible, to positively affect the IGF-1 pathway & increase muscle mass without secondary hypogonadism. You just need to find the right link in the chain that is least likely to be downregulated. That's why I'm excited about Enclomiphene & SERMs in general, as it uses the body's natural upregulation/downregulation of hormone secretagogues to actually raise testosterone production without a 'shutdown'; by tricking the body into thinking Estrogen is way up. The reason why steroid users (specifically Tren & Test derivatives w/o aromatase inhibitors) get gyno is because surplus Testosterone is converted into Estrogen. 'Convincing' the body that Estrogen is too high will cause Estrogen to be converted into Testosterone without any meaningful reduction in the Progesterone -> Testosterone pathway.

I truly think we are a few decades away from creating a SERM that triggers secondary Anabolic effects without secondary hypogonadism au pair. Fingers Crossed that RFK Jr.'s HHS makes it happen!

 

[the_alcatraz]

UPDATE:

Good Morning All,

After logging a full week of this training schedule, here are my numbers:

1/13
1 mi. Run: 8.7 mph // 6:49
Seated Cable Row: 145x8 // 1RM 165
Cable Upright Row: 57.5x8 // 1RM 70
Barbell Front Raise: 30x8 // 1RM 40
Barbell Shrug: 165x8 // 1RM 185

1/11
1 mi. Run: 8.6 mph // 6:54
Close Grip Bench Press: 95x8 // 1RM 115
Lying Barbell Tricep Extension: 50x10 // 1RM 65
Incline DB Bench: 35x12 // 1RM 45
Incline DB Curl: 25x8 // 1RM 35

1/10
1 mi. Run: 8.6 mph // 6:54
Pull Ups: 7
Chest Supported DB Row: 35x6 // 1RM 45
DB Lateral Raise: 15x12 // 1RM 20
DB Shrug: 50x20 // 1RM 85
1 Arm Lat Pulldown: 70x6 // 1RM 85

1/9
1 mi. Run: 8.3 mph // 7:16
1 mi. Run: 7.8 mph // 7:42
1 mi. Run: 6.8 mph // 8:49

1/8
1 mi. Run: 8.7 mph // 6:49
Squat: 135x8 (ATG) // 1RM 165 (ATG)
Sled Leg Press: 225x6 // 1RM 265
Hack Squat Calf Raise: 200x10 // 1RM 265
Lying Leg Curl: 115x12 // 1RM 160

1/7
1 mi. Run: 8.6 mph // 6:54
Hi-Lo Cable Fly: 35x6 // 1RM 40
Barbell Curl: 55x10 // 1RM 75
Dips: 12 (3+ RIR)
Incline DB Bench Press: 40x6 // 1RM 45

1/6
0.5 mi. Run: 9.0 mph // 3:20
Lat Pulldown: 120x8 // 1RM 155
Standing DB Curl: 30x6 // 1RM 35
Decline Sit Up: 15x10 (added weight)

Standby for Caloric info.

This is the whole week? you are not doing enough cardio bro

 

[the_alcatraz]

Taking this feedback into account this is what I am looking at:

Pre-Cycle/0 week:
none atm

Weeks 1-6:
50mg Var
15mg MK 677
1 Cap n2guard

Weeks 7-10:
12.5mg Enclo
1 Cap HCGenerate

Supplements:
Currently only Nutricost Micronized Creatine, NowSport's ZMA caps, & Muscletech Platinum multi.

I notice some have been taking Cialis on cycle. What is the logic behind this? Purely for recreation, or is there some benefit?
I also notice some have been taking this cardio support pre-workout (I forget the brand name). Again, what exactly does it do for you over your standard preworkout?

I currently use Wave, a clinically-dosed pre-workout that links to literature behind every ingredient they use. I typically have similarily high standards for performance supplements because they are more often than not just snake oil. I understand not everyone has the patience to read studies but I've got more time than money at this point and I'm looking to not buy supplements with unclear links to performance. Over the weekend I will do a more thorough review of the studies I read to come to my conclusions on supplementation & gear, and summarize them in a post.

Generally, I go by the philosophy of 'less = more'. Less gear = less interactions = more predictable sides. Less supplementation = less confouding variables = more direct link to performance. Earlier in the IGF-1 pathway = less impact on the HPA = less shutdown for same muscle growth.

I truly believe it is possible, or that it will eventually be possible, to positively affect the IGF-1 pathway & increase muscle mass without secondary hypogonadism. You just need to find the right link in the chain that is least likely to be downregulated. That's why I'm excited about Enclomiphene & SERMs in general, as it uses the body's natural upregulation/downregulation of hormone secretagogues to actually raise testosterone production without a 'shutdown'; by tricking the body into thinking Estrogen is way up. The reason why steroid users (specifically Tren & Test derivatives w/o aromatase inhibitors) get gyno is because surplus Testosterone is converted into Estrogen. 'Convincing' the body that Estrogen is too high will cause Estrogen to be converted into Testosterone without any meaningful reduction in the Progesterone -> Testosterone pathway.

I truly think we are a few decades away from creating a SERM that triggers secondary Anabolic effects without secondary hypogonadism au pair. Fingers Crossed that RFK Jr.'s HHS makes it happen!

The cycle might work but I'm asking if you can give us a base, what do you want to use this with?

So far havent seen it, can you share your picture face blurred so we can see your base please? @FishyAnchovy

I think cycle would work but trying to dial in your diet will be key for us bro