Sides not worth it

[BEEFCAKEZ]

Hey guys

22 year old here. 2nd cycle. Was kinda hesitant about going too heavy on the juice this time, but i wanted gains so I thought what the hell and hopped on a decent cycle. Here was the plan:

1-12 Test E 400 mg ew
2-4 Tren E 200 mg ew
4-12 Tren E 400 ew
1-4 Tbol 40 mg ed
6-10 Tbol 50 mg ed
Hcggenerate throughout cycle (4-5 caps ed) and for pct. Plus some post cycle, nolva and maybe unleashed for pct.

Curently at 2nd week after first tren shot. Though I would keep it low to see how the sides would come along. Tried a few shots of tren ace in the past, but sides were too heavy for me back then. Anyway, back to this cycle.

2 days after first tren e shot and i allready feel like shit. Insomnia, night sweats, shortness of breath, loss of appetite and kinda shut down. Thought is would take a little longer for the tren to work? Or could it been sides from the test? Never felt like this on test before..

Anyway, juicing heavy isnt worth it for me. Will I still see decent gains if i drop the test to 250 ew, drop the tren completely and keep popping tbols? Don't want too much test bloat either..

I know im young, please dont give me the lecture...

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Tren is a very strong and very harsh aas. Actually from the sides you are describing it sounds like you have some good tren. However not recommended for a second cycle. IMO you will see gains on just test with the tbol. Oh yeah and NO nolva with tren Ever!

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[kkklick]

I'm 22 as well, why do people say not to juice at this age? Seems like the right time. As far as your problem if you're running the same test and having dif sides it's most likely from the tren.

 

[Arabian]

Tren is a very strong and very harsh aas. Actually from the sides you are describing it sounds like you have some good tren. However not recommended for a second cycle. IMO you will see gains on just test with the tbol. Oh yeah and NO nolva with tren Ever!

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^^^^Good advice right here. Drop the Tren and run your Test / Tbol and build yourself up. Use this time to dial in your diet and training and the rest will come together. Tren is extremely harsh and you have to be in tune with your body to notice and overcome the sides. Best of luck to you.

 

[BEEFCAKEZ]

Thanks guys. Currently laying in bed NOT sleeping, thinking about all kinds of stupid shit..

How long before it clears?

 

[stevesmi]

I'm 22 as well, why do people say not to juice at this age? Seems like the right time. .

1. lack of experience/knowledge (i'm talking about knowing your own body)
2. risk of ruining your HPTA at a young age (you already have strong test levels, why mess with it and risk ruining it and having to go on TRT?) 3. if you run tren/deca you can expect libido issues after cycle
4. 22 is still young, compare a 30 year olds picture to when he was 22. you will see a man vs. a boy in those pics. the strongest dudes at my gym are in their mid 40's so whats the rush?

yes there are plenty of guys on here who had to go on TRT in their 20's, what a waste of your bodies natural production of test. RADAR (who is my personal mentor as well as for dozens of others) is 60 and still cycles because he waited till he was 30 to do steroids and understood his body before touching roids. he experimented with things like tren and learned from his mistakes without causing damage to his body. Nelson another godfather of this site did not touch roids till his 40's... so even though 21 is the age we like to see everyone before juicing, personally I recommend people wait till they are 25 or 26+ ... i waited till 29 myself.

 

[stevesmi]

Hey guys

22 year old here. 2nd cycle. Was kinda hesitant about going too heavy on the juice this time, but i wanted gains so I thought what the hell and hopped on a decent cycle. Here was the plan:

1-12 Test E 400 mg ew
2-4 Tren E 200 mg ew
4-12 Tren E 400 ew
1-4 Tbol 40 mg ed
6-10 Tbol 50 mg ed
Hcggenerate throughout cycle (4-5 caps ed) and for pct. Plus some post cycle, nolva and maybe unleashed for pct.

Curently at 2nd week after first tren shot. Though I would keep it low to see how the sides would come along. Tried a few shots of tren ace in the past, but sides were too heavy for me back then. Anyway, back to this cycle.

2 days after first tren e shot and i allready feel like shit. Insomnia, night sweats, shortness of breath, loss of appetite and kinda shut down. Thought is would take a little longer for the tren to work? Or could it been sides from the test? Never felt like this on test before..

Anyway, juicing heavy isnt worth it for me. Will I still see decent gains if i drop the test to 250 ew, drop the tren completely and keep popping tbols? Don't want too much test bloat either..

I know im young, please dont give me the lecture...

the title of this thread sums it up. the sides are not worth it, if you are not getting enough sleep, being de-hydrated and feeling tired all the time from the high bp than you will not be able to put in good workouts. tren isn't for everyone. i ran tren and slept well, either drop your dosage or just run something like primo (which has very little sides) instead.

and yes testosterone can also give you plenty of sides as well.. the aromatization comes with a host of side effects.

 

[gstacker]

i recently read that tren made from pellets (home brew or kits) is usually alot worse for sides....not sure how true that is since i dont make the stuff but ive ran it a few times...the worst is the insomnia for me

 

[CSB]

Thanks guys. Currently laying in bed NOT sleeping, thinking about all kinds of stupid shit..

How long before it clears?

they guys have pretty much summed it up, but excessive sides after 2nd day on tren e , are you sure its not acetate ? if by luck it is it will clear soon if not it will take a week or so .

as for age question, pretty much what everyone has said as well as the fact that your endocrine system only fully matures round 25 (this is hotly debated by some lol)

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

Tren is really strong. And the whole thing about time to "kick in" is a myth. You inject tren enanthate, and it is in your system. If you are sensitive to tren, you will start feeling it within a day or 2. I did tren E once (never again) and had the insomnia and shortness of breath within a day or two.
As a side note, I know tbol is fairly mild on the body, but that still seems like a long time to run an oral to me....be careful. Some N2guard is probably a good idea.