Question about bulking and carbs

[bigp3]

not good at all to mix fats and carbs especially simple carbs. I can attest to this personally. If you want to keep your fat gain to a minimum while bulking dont do it. You can't really count on when your insulin spike will hit its peak so the idea that fats with carbs is okay is not that solid. Try eating this way and you will see the changes in your body. You will get harder and bigger at the same time.

This is what I like to tell people about bulk diets. Eat like you would if you were cutting only more of it. It is not an excuse to hit McDonalds every day. Believe me I have made that mistake and will never do it again. A cheat meal a few times a week is not going to kill you. Like I said just avoid the sugar. A pint of Ben & Jerry's or Dunkin Donuts are never productive muscle builders.

You can get away with milk if you so choose. You have to realize that milk is going to smooth you out, but it tends to go away within a few weeks of dropping the milk from your diet. I usually have a glass of milk with my morning meal of oatmeal, procomplex and egg beaters.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Okay, then I'll try not to mix them. I have about 8 glasses of milk a day, I'm guessing that's too much. I'll cut it down.

Then comes PB&J - I'm guessing the jelly isn't the best idea, and is best replaced with pasta or rice. THat being the case, can I use soy sauce or hot sauce or tomato sauce, or something good to put on my rice and pasta to make it better?

Finally, I was wondering what I should do on non-training days. You guys seem to have some pretty solid info. Should I lower my caloric intake? Should I take in more protein and less carbs? Only one carb meal, instead of 3? Maybe in the A.M. to stop myself from adding too much fat, since I won't be using the carbs that day...

 

[bigp3]

usually what I do on the off day is just sub in another high carb low fat meal instead of my post workout shake. I keep the calories pretty much the same. They may be a tad less. Don't drop all your carb meals on off days you will flatten out in a hurry. It is bad enough when you have to do it cutting don't do it while bulking. I say always get 3 in and maybe just make them your first 3 meals on off days

Whew, 8 glasses of farts I mean milk bro. Good god I would hate to be locked in a room with you. The PB&J is not a good idea IMO. I think it might be okay if you are a real hardgainer, but I would not do it all that often. Here is my take on that Peanut butter as long as it is natural pb without sugar is okay to add in with your high fat meal. You have to remember PB is high in fat and you probably don't want to mix it with carbs not to mention it is not that great of a source of protein.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

It is natural PB. Milk gives gas? Good god, maybe that explains it! My stomach is always rumbling somewhat. I'm not lactose intolerant though, but maybe it still does that to me.

Anyway, good call with the carbs. What would you recommend for cardio to keep the fat gains nil? Is there a way, in your opinion, to do this while bulking? Not gain any fat...or such a minor amount? I don't feel it's healthy to flucuate in weight so much, and I'm looking to be able to eat pretty consistently all year round while slowly, steadily getting larger and stronger, but being lean.

 

[bigp3]

There is no way to bulk without gaining fat in my opinion. Being leaner at the begining of your bulking phase will limit your fat gain. As for cardio, I would not get too carried away with it when bulking. It kind of defeats the purpose. I would maybe do some light cardio 20 minutes or so 1 or 2 times a week. Something like walking or light cycling.

One more thing and yes milk causes farts,,, lol. It is the lactose!!!

 

[casualbb]

All humans are lactose intolerant to some degree. I personally drink tons of milk, but with tons of farts as well.

 

[b fold the truth]

I don't think that all kcals are equal.

At every meal..I try to get the following:
40-70 grams Prot
70-140 grams carbs (mostly all complex)
whatever fat comes with it (adding veg and olive oil now)

I eat 5-8 meals like this a day and when I contest nears I will take in upwards of 1,000 kcals per day of carbs.

Also...people will tell you that you should eat between 1 and 2 grams per pound of bodyweight per day in prot. I don't think that this is entirely accurrate. I think that one should look at LEAN BODY MASS instead of just weight in this case.

Just my opinion though. I'm for sure not a diet expert.

B True

 

[JKurz1]

I don't think that all kcals are equal.

At every meal..I try to get the following:
40-70 grams Prot
70-140 grams carbs (mostly all complex)
whatever fat comes with it (adding veg and olive oil now)

I eat 5-8 meals like this a day and when I contest nears I will take in upwards of 1,000 kcals per day of carbs.

Also...people will tell you that you should eat between 1 and 2 grams per pound of bodyweight per day in prot. I don't think that this is entirely accurrate. I think that one should look at LEAN BODY MASS instead of just weight in this case.

Just my opinion though. I'm for sure not a diet expert.

B True

ON POINT! Good post..........who makes up these rules "no fats and carbs", etc.......balance is the key to everything......keep at it bro

 

[bigp3]

I agree that your macronutrient values should be calculated from your lean body mass.

 

[jj23]

Anyone tried throwing Glucorell R into the mix? Results?