My disclaimer is I've never used tren and probably never will, but only 5 hours a night. Most of your gains are made during sleep so your body can rebuild. 5 hours isn't enough to get the max benefit of your work and cycle. Maybe a sleep aid?
BodybyFin - originally I was shooting for 15-20 lbs of muscle gain but after shooting up 12 lbs in 12 days (granted some of that was water) I re-assed my goals, 30 might be much so I believe I can achieve at least 20 maybe 25. I can put 5-6 lbs on in 10 weeks without juice so I'll be fucking pissed if that's all I achieved after coming off.
At Melochai, I am running tren 7 weeks and test 10 weeks, maybe run test 12 weeks with primo that last 4 weeks to really harden up but haven't made that decision yet
At unclesam, I did run a Test only cycle in the service but I gained 20 lbs in 6 weeks and since we run and swim in Spec Ops everyday the extra weight killed my knees and my endurance so I didn't finish the cycle, my Cadre knew I was juicing shit EVERYBODY knew as fast as I grew but Oenone ever tried to test me.