12 week transformation 16 years old

[bigorse]

hey guys, title says it all

stats
height 5 7
age 16
training exp. 5 years
weight 190lbs (did a mini cut from 205lbs)

goal to get fucking massive!

im on a two year bulk about 7 months in so far, changing my training up for the next three months so lets see if we cant put on some mass!

will post more before pics later tonight

 

[Stackinplates]

I will be following with a close eye!!

 

[bigorse]

heres another shot from yesterday. will try get some posing shots up tonight. bodyfat and measurement estimates welcome, should be getting everything checked properly at the gym tonight.

 

[bigorse]

5 point skin caliper test has me at 12% bodyfat. and i am weighing 195lbs after carbing up again.

 

[kalimurray]

You're using steroids correct?

 

[bigorse]

not on any steroids in any of these pictures

 

[Saiyan7]

Pictures don't open on the app?

 

[bigorse]

Pictures don't open on the app?

sorry man, probs cause im not a platinum member

 

[bigorse]

and...... i am back at 200lbs looking nice and round and full. i only dieted for about 2 weeks (205 down to 190) so i know my body loves carbs and respoonds well to them so most of the weight gain is just glycogen and a little water. weight will steady out around the 205lbs range. goal is to be around 215 at rough 14% bodyfat.

 

[Saiyan7]

I'm not platinum either. Could be that I guess. Nobody's pictures open for me though. The thumbnails it shows look decent though lol. My diet is sometimes an issue. I think I get bored of certain foods too quickly.

 

[bigorse]

what can i say.... i like to eat thats 207lbs for all you yanks

 

[bigorse]

arms and chest are my weakest points by far and am really trying to bring them up

 

[Stackinplates]

I feel ya on arms

I have got about 1/2 inch past 6 weeks
Found that 4 2o min workouts a week really helps

Looking good bro !!

 

[synthazeus]

I don't mean to be rude or anything but don't exactly look 207lbs. Holding extra water/glycogen maybe??

 

[bigorse]

I don't mean to be rude or anything but don't exactly look 207lbs. Holding extra water/glycogen maybe??

no i dont look my weight at all, Just the way im built.

but when im shredded i look heavier than i actually am.

 

[synthazeus]

Like bone structure or?? Maybe as u being a natural kinda endo/meso

Still very impressive though

 

[bigorse]

Like bone structure or?? Maybe as u being a natural kinda endo/meso

Still very impressive though

yeah natural endo meso, i have to eat a shit load to hold my size though so i am literally pretty full of shit

 

[synthazeus]

I was born semi meso/ecto mind you I was skinny growing up. I have a mash up of my mums german, skinny genetics and my dads New Zealand/islander genetics, and we all know the size of those fellas haha. So kind of half/half in the genetic game, I always looked like I weighed more than I was when I was super lean and alittle smaller, now with a fuller, rounder but slighty soft and puffy 250 lb body I look pretty much what you would think imo. Want to be a lot more dense though, conditioning has always been a problem with my body. Even when I was younger and skinny, had no six pack or definition and was just flat

 

[bigorse]

I was born semi meso/ecto mind you I was skinny growing up. I have a mash up of my mums german, skinny genetics and my dads New Zealand/islander genetics, and we all know the size of those fellas haha. So kind of half/half in the genetic game, I always looked like I weighed more than I was when I was super lean and alittle smaller, now with a fuller, rounder but slighty soft and puffy 250 lb body I look pretty much what you would think imo. Want to be a lot more dense though, conditioning has always been a problem with my body. Even when I was younger and skinny, had no six pack or definition and was just flat

yeah them kiwi genetics! i have always beeb a fat xhild which is why i started so young at 11 i was like 83kg by 12 i had got down to a pretty built 59kg (for 12) through boxing abd weight lifting. over my years bodybuilding however my metabolism has just reved up and i find it adapts very quickly now both up and down (slows quickly when dieting even woth refeed) but right now im eating around 5000cals a day and gaining nicely but i just had about a 3hour nap and woke up nearly 3pounds lighter! my body is a machine right now.
digestion has been shitty as of late though and i feel crap eating as much as i do right now on a relativly clean diet.

 

[bigorse]

diet is

carb sources

bread
pasta
rice
fruit
sweet/white potato
oatmeal

lean protein (5-6 meals a day)

chicken
kangaroo
turkey
tuna
egg whites

fats

salmon
beef cuts
peanut butter (rare)
fish oil

i get about 280g of protein 5-700g of carbs
80-110g of fat.
eat 6 times a day minimum veges with most meals except pre workout. eat relativly clean and probably have a cheat meal every other day, sometimes more ofter!

 

[bigorse]

water intake is 4L a day at minimum usually more like 6l but i do use diet cordial to help get the fluids in so its not like im always drowning my self in water esp in winter when its harder to drink so much

 

[bigorse]

phone apps down so cant upload photo's but strength is way up as bodyweight is going up flat pressed 50kg (110lbs) dumbbell for 6 reps tonight. weight is at 211LBS heaviest i have ever been. so that 21LBS gained already.

 

[Stackinplates]

Good job man!!!

 

[Stackinplates]

Progress?

 

[bigorse]

Progress?

bloody phone apps still down so u cant upload photos but im sitting at 213lbs at the moment so im up 23lbs or so so far. condition is still decent, id say 13-15% body fat still keeping my abs. strength is absolutely insane though. squating 440lbs for 6-8 reps pretty easy now, not ass to grass but to a good depth just above parrellel where i feel comfortable and get a good contraction on the quads. pumps are insane too. food is sitting around 5000 cals still with 3-5 cheat meals a week.

oh and my quads are more vascular now then when i was peeled at 160lbs pretty crazy!

 

[Stackinplates]

Good stuff man glad to hear ya are doing well

 

[synthazeus]

3-5 cheat meals a week? Why ahha? On cycle I ate a cheat meal like maybe once every 2 weeks. You eat shit, you will blow up with water and fat under the assumption you've gained muscle, espeacilly with the increased aromatisation that comes with gear, and with ur genetic make up and fat memory. You need to keep your body healthier and it becomes more important when using steroids. Just some advice, you doth need to take it, but I'd scale back to 1 cheat meal a week and get your macros from cleaner sources (steak, eggs, potatoes, rice) I'm sure you understand all that. Your body will love you a lot more for it.

But eating like shit under the idea that you're "bulking" is just something to get lazy with your diet.

 

[bigorse]

3-5 cheat meals a week? Why ahha? On cycle I ate a cheat meal like maybe once every 2 weeks. You eat shit, you will blow up with water and fat under the assumption you've gained muscle, espeacilly with the increased aromatisation that comes with gear, and with ur genetic make up and fat memory. You need to keep your body healthier and it becomes more important when using steroids. Just some advice, you doth need to take it, but I'd scale back to 1 cheat meal a week and get your macros from cleaner sources (steak, eggs, potatoes, rice) I'm sure you understand all that. Your body will love you a lot more for it.

But eating like shit under the idea that you're "bulking" is just something to get lazy with your diet.

yeah i know all that man. my cheat meals are literally meals as in like a bowl of ice cream or a few donuts not big binge meal like most peoples cheats.

 

[Evan Tipps]

I cheat twice a week when cutting lol. And their large ones. These old school people don't quite understand iifym and how carbs are carbs and fats are fats.

 

[synthazeus]

I cheat twice a week when cutting lol. And their large ones. These old school people don't quite understand iifym and how carbs are carbs and fats are fats.

IIFYM is bs unless again your macros are made up of mostly clean foods. other wise the best bodybuilders would be sitting around eating pop tarts and donuts pre contest. A carb might be a carb and fat may be a fat, but there's a lot more to it than that (glycemic index, sodium etc.) maybe for the average Joe who wants to get in shape, follow iifym. But for optimal results, proper calorie counting is the better of routes.

And if you're referring to me as "old school" because of what I'm saying, go back and research why "old school" dieting is much more beneficial than this new day of age were people believe just eating whatever you want as long as your macros are point is fine.

If you can take in two cheat meals a week when cutting and still drop bf, props to you ahahah. I only have one every week to help boost leptin levels.

 

[Evan Tipps]

IIFYM is bs unless again your macros are made up of mostly clean foods. other wise the best bodybuilders would be sitting around eating pop tarts and donuts pre contest. A carb might be a carb and fat may be a fat, but there's a lot more to it than that (glycemic index, sodium etc.) maybe for the average Joe who wants to get in shape, follow iifym. But for optimal results, proper calorie counting is the better of routes.

And if you're referring to me as "old school" because of what I'm saying, go back and research why "old school" dieting is much more beneficial than this new day of age were people believe just eating whatever you want as long as your macros are point is fine.

If you can take in two cheat meals a week when cutting and still drop bf, props to you ahahah. I only have one every week to help boost leptin levels.

Buddy you most likely have no idea how pros actually eat. You'd be baffled. Glycemic index has been proven to have absolutely no effect on body compostion. Sodium is a bodybuilders friend. Any pro knows this, it stores water in the muscle, what one wants. George Farrah says every bodybuilder should up their sodium absolutely no reason not to. Also lots of studies on pros using candy as their only carb source and still just got as peeled, a calorie is a fuckin calorie

 

[Evan Tipps]

IIFYM is bs unless again your macros are made up of mostly clean foods. other wise the best bodybuilders would be sitting around eating pop tarts and donuts pre contest. A carb might be a carb and fat may be a fat, but there's a lot more to it than that (glycemic index, sodium etc.) maybe for the average Joe who wants to get in shape, follow iifym. But for optimal results, proper calorie counting is the better of routes.

And if you're referring to me as "old school" because of what I'm saying, go back and research why "old school" dieting is much more beneficial than this new day of age were people believe just eating whatever you want as long as your macros are point is fine.

If you can take in two cheat meals a week when cutting and still drop bf, props to you ahahah. I only have one every week to help boost leptin levels.

Also proper calorie counting is exactly wjay iifym is. Science is proving more and more and people are changing their whole outlooks on dieting and realizing they don't need all sweet potatoes and brown rice and 1.5x protein per pound. Upped my "bad" carbs lowered my protein and I'm in the best shape I've ever been in. Plain and simple it works and anyone who disagrees simply has not tried it correctly.

 

[synthazeus]

Buddy you most likely have no idea how pros actually eat. You'd be baffled. Glycemic index has been proven to have absolutely no effect on body compostion. Sodium is a bodybuilders friend. Any pro knows this, it stores water in the muscle, what one wants. George Farrah says every bodybuilder should up their sodium absolutely no reason not to. Also lots of studies on pros using candy as their only carb source and still just got as peeled, a calorie is a fuckin calorie

From what you're throng to justify, I have more of an understanding on how props eat than your idea on how you think they eat, my supplement store that's run by a corporation has a few sponsored pros, who I've been privileged to meet. And did I once state sodium is bad lol? I was comparing ratios ahhahaha. Eg. Let's say a can of baked beans and chicken breast have roughly the same macro ratios. But what is better in terms on body composition and LBM to eat? Do you seriously think that they both have the same effect just because they have the same macros ? There's a lot more to it than just a 'calorie' and carbs/proteins/fats. And candy yes, might be used to help carb up. But like I said, do you think their diet has been structured around what you're trying to say? Absolutely not, because it's counterintuitive and does not give you OPTIMAL results. Study's say a lot of things, it's about what works for the most part and it doesn't take a genius to figure out eating healthier foods will have a much better effect on the body, in so many was. Well structured diets with food from good resources is much better/healthier on the body than believing you can eat fast food and binge as long as it fits your calories. I'm not saying iifym doesn't work, I'm saying it's not the best for optimal results if you get your food from shitty resources.

 

[Evan Tipps]

From what you're throng to justify, I have more of an understanding on how props eat than your idea on how you think they eat, my supplement store that's run by a corporation has a few sponsored pros, who I've been privileged to meet. And did I once state sodium is bad lol? I was comparing ratios ahhahaha. Eg. Let's say a can of baked beans and chicken breast have roughly the same macro ratios. But what is better in terms on body composition and LBM to eat? Do you seriously think that they both have the same effect just because they have the same macros ? There's a lot more to it than just a 'calorie' and carbs/proteins/fats. And candy yes, might be used to help carb up. But like I said, do you think their diet has been structured around what you're trying to say? Absolutely not, because it's counterintuitive and does not give you OPTIMAL results. Study's say a lot of things, it's about what works for the most part and it doesn't take a genius to figure out eating healthier foods will have a much better effect on the body, in so many was. Well structured diets with food from good resources is much better/healthier on the body than believing you can eat fast food and binge as long as it fits your calories. I'm not saying iifym doesn't work, I'm saying it's not the best for optimal results if you get your food from shitty resources.

For body comp macros is the only thing that matters. It's been proven time and time again this site is the only site who fails to see that. Beans chicken whey eggs egg whites bread protein is protein doesn't matter the source. I get a forth my protein from milk for gods sake lol. And when pros eat 1000g of carbs and 250 g300 g of protein you think they eat brown rice and sweet potatoes? Wrong. Jay and branch and any top pro would drink coke, eat regular potatoes white rice bread anything that totally contradicts your glycemic index argument. I feel bad for people that try to eat all their protein from chicken and brown rice.

 

[synthazeus]

For body comp macros is the only thing that matters. It's been proven time and time again this site is the only site who fails to see that. Beans chicken whey eggs egg whites bread protein is protein doesn't matter the source. I get a forth my protein from milk for gods sake lol. And when pros eat 1000g of carbs and 250 g300 g of protein you think they eat brown rice and sweet potatoes? Wrong. Jay and branch and any top pro would drink coke, eat regular potatoes white rice bread anything that totally contradicts your glycemic index argument. I feel bad for people that try to eat all their protein from chicken and brown rice.

I've heard of jay using white rice pre contest a few times, it's more processed foods I was talking about. Think about it, 50g from white bread or 50g of Green beans for dieting? The green beans, or any other carb high in fiber is better for obvious reasons. Everyone responds different, I can see what you're saying but for an average person I don't think it would be the best.

 

[Evan Tipps]

I've heard of jay using white rice pre contest a few times, it's more processed foods I was talking about. Think about it, 50g from white bread or 50g of Green beans for dieting? The green beans, or any other carb high in fiber is better for obvious reasons. Everyone responds different, I can see what you're saying but for an average person I don't think it would be the best.

It's kinda hard to do iifym right eating processed foods because most processed good is way to high in fat. I do iifym and get most my food from good sources IMO white rice potatoes ground turkey and whey/egg whites but I will drink skim milk and cereal very low fat and high carb like rice

 

[Stackinplates]

Love it is this a clean and dirty meal convo

I personally look at it both ways

Athletes depending on how you train sweat out a lot of sodium and you need to replenish that sodium so keeping sodium low at all times is very bad for the body on the other hand crappy bad foods have a bunch of crappy hormones and are pumped full of chemicals I believe it horrible for the body it's different to have a cheat meal that is actually healthy if that makes any kind of sense I found pop tarts that are made out of wheat and barley and use with organic rice syrup and real fruit for sweetening

Now a days food isn't even food anymore !!!

so I do agree with eating dirty every now and then but what kind of dirty are we talking about even when I eat dirty it's organic and clean !! Organic Almond milk ice cream etc... Mc Donald's and all the other fast food chains aren't even food it's half ass meat and full blown chemicals mixed together to mimic food

It's not food it's chemicals that are flavored to taste like food

Now that being said I do enjoy McDonald's or something like that every now and then but look at it like this my common sense tells me if I eat clean for three months and then go out and binge on crappy food and I feel like shit that is my body trying to tell me something!!


But if I eat like shit for three months and then go Shove my face full of clean food I'll feel absolutely fine

I agree pros do eat shit and have to to maintain all the mass but not every pro eats like that

Phill Heath eats clean as shit even when bulking also Marc lobliner eats clean all the time as well

This is the thing it comes down to
Preference and how your body reacts if I eat like crap all the time I feel like crap if I clean I feel clean and healthy
So I vote the clean route


I always go back to this as I do believe in God !!

Back i the day it was meats fruits and veggies all natural how God intended it to be so ima go with the nutrients that he designed for the human body! There is more to be said about that than anything

Fruits veggies and things from the land were made for a reason !

I just read a study that had a family eat organic for 3 weeks after they had eaten like crap for 2 years

Urinalysis was taken while they were eating like crap and when they ate organic

When they ate organic nothing was found in their urine when they chemicals processed foods and fast food chains nothing but high levels of insecticides pesticides and other chemicals are found in their body that tells me something I don't want that crap in my body


When you're spraying the chemical on a cockroach or a bug to kill it and then you're eating it !!!
something just doesn't seem right there

 

[Stackinplates]

It's kinda hard to do iifym right eating processed foods because most processed good is way to high in fat. I do iifym and get most my food from good sources IMO white rice potatoes ground turkey and whey/egg whites but I will drink skim milk and cereal very low fat and high carb like rice

For me

It's like this

Bulking
White everything

Rice
Potatoes
Bread

Cutting

Sweet potatoes
Brown rice
Ezekiel bread

 

[synthazeus]

It's kinda hard to do iifym right eating processed foods because most processed good is way to high in fat. I do iifym and get most my food from good sources IMO white rice potatoes ground turkey and whey/egg whites but I will drink skim milk and cereal very low fat and high carb like rice

That's fine then, I was more talking about people who think they can eat the shittiest foods and expect to get the same results as if they were eating clean foods because they both have the same macro ratios, if that makes sense.

 

[bigorse]

phone app is back up and working!
so here we are. about 3 weeks ago i injured my wrist pretty bad and have been un able to train upper since then and probs am still another 2 weeks off traing. i have been training 3-4 times a week with hams, quads, calves and few upperbody machine that i dont have to grip like the peck deck or the side lateral machine.

peak weight was 215lbs but for the last 2 weeks i have been cruising with my diet a little below maintenance and trying to lean out for the next 8 or so weeks before my next training blast.

 

[bigorse]

this was me around 215 just before getting injured. mind my rude head about 208lbs right now but alot of that is water, glycogen and just the fact im on a comfortable food intake at the moment rather than kind of force feeding myself at times.