High fat diet to lose weight

[gjohnson5]

without a decent amount of carbs I think it is reaaly hard to pack on muscle ...but maybe that is just me ...


Victor

I think that's just you...
I think calories are the key , not carbs
High protein , high fat , low carb is a good equation

fats should be coconut oil (saturated) , mct (saturated) unsaturated plant fats, fish fats. Actually I've read that 80% of saturated fats burn as energy contrary to popular belief.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

IMO it's an excellent diet if you eat unprocessed meat (no bacon, lunch meat, frankfurters, etc) and green veg, personally I like keeping protein and fat % equal, supplement w/ fiber, multi, fish oils, zinc+magnesium, B-vitamins (B2 and B3 help move beta oxidation along, good stuff).

 

[VictorBR]

I think that's just you...
I think calories are the key , not carbs
High protein , high fat , low carb is a good equation

fats should be coconut oil (saturated) , mct (saturated) unsaturated plant fats, fish fats. Actually I've read that 80% of saturated fats burn as energy contrary to popular belief.

>>>> I am pretty sure that without any muscle glycogen ( low carbs ) it is reaaly hard to keep a positive nitrogen balance . and I am also pretty sure that a diet high in cabs is BETTER than a diet high in FATS TO PACK ON MUSCLE .

But to each his own


Victor

 

[gjohnson5]

>>>> I am pretty sure that without any muscle glycogen ( low carbs ) it is reaaly hard to keep a positive nitrogen balance . and I am also pretty sure that a diet high in cabs is BETTER than a diet high in FATS TO PACK ON MUSCLE .

But to each his own
Victor

Well let's be informed first, instead of being uninformed
1. Does glycogen come solely from carbs?? The answer to this is no

Gluconeogenesis: The formation of glycogen from fatty acids and proteins rather than carbohydrates.


2. Are carbs required to maintain positive nitrogen balance?? The answer is also no

http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
Positive nitrogen balance occurs when the total nitrogen excreted in the urine, feces and sweat is less than the total nitrogen ingested. Positive nitrogen balance must exist for new tissue to be synthesized. When dietary protein intake or total energy intake is inadequate to maintain tissues total nitrogen balance, negative nitrogen balance occurs and new tissue is unable to be synthesized. When the body is in nitrogen balance, protein and energy intake is sufficient to maintain tissue protein needs and the amounts of nitrogen entering and exiting the body are equal.

Energy sources DON'T have to come from carbs...

 

[VictorBR]

well like I said , to each his own , but you reeeeeealy don't see to many people bulking in LOW CARBS .


Victor

 

[gjohnson5]

well like I said , to each his own , but you reeeeeealy don't see to many people bulking in LOW CARBS .


Victor

People don't do things that are healthy for them. People do eat foods high in corn sweetener and sugars and end up fat...

This should NOT be discussion about what people practice , because we all know people have bad habits in diet and in the weight room.

 

[RDJ]

It doesn't say LOW CALORIES it says LOW CARBS. So yes you can bulk on a high fat diet as long as you get some quality carbs (and fibers) from fruits. The fact that you don't see many people doing it does not say it's no good. Many of the bulking people do not bulk lean but gain lots and lots of bodyfat. Which means they take in too many useless calories, otherwise they would not have stored it as bodyfat. I believe those useless calories are the ones in potatoes, pasta, rice, bread etc. Perhaps bulking and cutting cycles aren't needed with a high fat / high protein diet.

Just read the link I posted, I thought it made a lot of sense.

It's meat, fish, eggs, fruits, nuts and veggies for me the next few weeks. I'll share the progress here periodically for those interested. It's a test for me too.

Ps. Your friend with the chicken + rice diet must be nuts. I bet that ain't healthy for more than a few days (vitamin deficit, etc).

 

[RDJ]

The Paleo Diet for Athletes : A Nutritional Formula for Peak Athletic Performance (Amazon.com)

Book Description
Loren Cordain, Ph.D., follows his success of The Paleo Diet with the first book ever to detail the exercise-enhancing effects of a diet similar to that of our Stone Age ancestors.

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o Why the typical athletic diet (top-heavy with grains, starches, and refined sugars) is detrimental to recovery, performance, and health
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About the Author
LOREN CORDAIN, PH.D., a world-renowned scientist and the leading expert on the Paleolithic diet, is a professor in the health and exercise science department at Colorado State University. He is a member of the American Institute of Nutrition and the American Heart Association, among other organizations. His work has been featured on Dateline and the Wall Street Journal. He lives in Fort Collins, Colorado.

JOE FRIEL, M.S., is founder and president of Ultrafit Associates, LLC, an association of elite endurance coaches. His books include The Cyclist's Training Bible and The Triathlete's Training Bible. He lives in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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Some VERY informed people disagree with you.

 

[miacova]

The diet I am doing consists mainly of eggs, meat, chicken, fish, walnuts, flaxseed oil, protein powder and whole milk.
I have no allowance for fruit or vegetables in the current configuration, so I will get a good multi-vitamin and vitamin c.
I will check progress every couple of weeks and see how things go... if it doesn't work or I don't feel like I should - i'll stop.

Current bodyfat is around 15% and mass is around 175lb.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

Why is whole milk included? It should be dropped and replaced with green vegetables. Milk has no place in this diet.