does skim milk have any place in a strict diet?

[nimbus]

thanks again, you guys are seriously the best

chef - what is the advantage of whole milk besides taste? i got skim because i snack on almonds uncontrollably sometimes and don't think i need any extra fat in my diet, espec. not saturated fat.

 

[FriendlyCanadian]

thanks again, you guys are seriously the best

chef - what is the advantage of whole milk besides taste? i got skim because i snack on almonds uncontrollably sometimes and don't think i need any extra fat in my diet, espec. not saturated fat.

you're welcome, I know, I'm the bomb.

I'm secretly LB's alter don't tell anybody!

 

[Tatyana]

thanks again, you guys are seriously the best

chef - what is the advantage of whole milk besides taste? i got skim because i snack on almonds uncontrollably sometimes and don't think i need any extra fat in my diet, espec. not saturated fat.

Saturated fat is really ok with some people.

Cholesterol gets a bad rap as well, but it is the precursor to all steroid sex hormones and vitamin D.

Funny things happen to some people when they cut out a lot of saturated animal fats, it actually increases the cholesterol in their bloodstream, and often not the 'good' one or HDL.

Fat is also one of the macronutrients that allows for greater satiety.


It does depend on your metabolism, google metabolic profiling.

Have you had cholesterol levels done before after manipulating your diet?

 

[snorkles]

so is it worth it for me to cut all the milk? can i take my protein shake with water to completely cut the milk? thanks

 

[ChefWide]

Saturated fat is really ok with some people. We evolved on it, its what made us what we are, to a great extent.
Cholesterol gets a bad rap as well, but it is the precursor to all steroid sex hormones and vitamin D. Aye, unless you have a genetic predisposition to high cholesterol, or hyperlipidosis, then what you eat is of very little import.

Funny things happen to some people when they cut out a lot of saturated animal fats, it actually increases the cholesterol in their bloodstream, and often not the 'good' one or HDL. . Totally agree. It's often correlate that the attention to cutting out sat fats comes with an increase in cravings that are oft slaked by carb consumption: insulin spike to hyperinsulinemia to hyperlipidosis.

Fat is also one of the macronutrients that allows for greater satiety.


It does depend on your metabolism, google metabolic profiling.

Have you had cholesterol levels done before after manipulating your diet?

Cheers to this very wise person. Fun to read your posts.

 

[Tatyana]

so is it worth it for me to cut all the milk? can i take my protein shake with water to completely cut the milk? thanks

Milk in a PWO shake is ideal.

Unless you experience symptoms of lactose intolerance, like serious bloating, diarrhoea, upset tummy, there really is no reason to cut out milk.

I prefer organic when it is possible, just because there are a lot of anti-biotics used in the production of 'normal' milk, but how much of an impact those anti-biotics have, I haven't seen any accurate data yet.

I would read this entire thread (or read it again) for why milk is good.

If you are still unclear about it, then please feel free to post any questions you have.

 

[nimbus]

Saturated fat is really ok with some people.

Cholesterol gets a bad rap as well, but it is the precursor to all steroid sex hormones and vitamin D.

Funny things happen to some people when they cut out a lot of saturated animal fats, it actually increases the cholesterol in their bloodstream, and often not the 'good' one or HDL.

Fat is also one of the macronutrients that allows for greater satiety.


It does depend on your metabolism, google metabolic profiling.

Have you had cholesterol levels done before after manipulating your diet?

no, ive never had cholesterol levels done.

So i can't tell if you are suggesting that milkfat could be beneficial, or if you are simply saying it isn't bad enough to have to avoid at all costs

 

[Sim882]

Personally, I think macros for whole milk are not best (http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c2018.html)

28% C, 22% P, 50% Fat.

The fat contains only Vit D and A, but the latter is very easily obtained in veggies, and the former is supplemented anyway or obtained through sun for those in warmer climates.

Also, my concern with whole milk is that its a fat/carb insulin combo - isn't this meant to be avoided? I am aware of studies showing that whole milk > skim for increases in LBM though PWO, even calorie controlled

 

[snorkles]

Milk in a PWO shake is ideal.

Unless you experience symptoms of lactose intolerance, like serious bloating, diarrhoea, upset tummy, there really is no reason to cut out milk.

I prefer organic when it is possible, just because there are a lot of anti-biotics used in the production of 'normal' milk, but how much of an impact those anti-biotics have, I haven't seen any accurate data yet.

I would read this entire thread (or read it again) for why milk is good.

If you are still unclear about it, then please feel free to post any questions you have.

thanks for the reply and help. I will only take skimmed milk with my shake then.

 

[Tatyana]

Personally, I think macros for whole milk are not best (http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c2018.html)

28% C, 22% P, 50% Fat.

The fat contains only Vit D and A, but the latter is very easily obtained in veggies, and the former is supplemented anyway or obtained through sun for those in warmer climates.

Also, my concern with whole milk is that its a fat/carb insulin combo - isn't this meant to be avoided? I am aware of studies showing that whole milk > skim for increases in LBM though PWO, even calorie controlled

I think if you are lean, not a big deal.

If you have a high percentage of bodyfat, and you have been eating a lot of processed foods, then it may be better to go for the diet that avoids insulin spikes.

This is the thing I have been reading. Not everyone has the same metabolism.

Some people do really well eating a lot of animal fats, saturated fat, fewer carbs and a lot of meat.

Some people do really well on complex carbs, veggies, leaner protein sources.

Some can eat a combo of the two, and I think that this is really oversimplifying things.

There is no 'cookie cutter' diet, we really do have such a high degree of biochemical individuality.

I think it is a good idea to experiment with different combinations of macro ratios of whole natural foods and see what works for you.

I know I LOVE whole milk, but it doesn't really work all that well for me if I drink it all the time to have a lean physique.

Lower fat milk does. But that doesn't mean it will be the same for everyone.