The Biblical Believers....

[beefcake28]

I like the detail of your argument, and I too have studied evolution and notice that there are periods in history (based on fossil records) where great changes come in relatively shorter time spans.

Could there have been a creator that set of the big bang? Sure, I can't disprove that. BUT again, just because I can't disprove it, doesn't mean its likely. I do not think the evidence points to that at all.

Again, if there was a creator that set off the big bang, the first thing I want to know is, who or what created THAT creator, and so on and so for. So that line of reasoning is largely unsatisfying as well.

"Absence of proof does not imply proof of absence".

This is the part where it becomes a personal decision. I respect anyone's decision if they have studied up on both arguements, and know WHY they believe what they do. If you take a look at both sides, and decide that you choose not to believe in a Creator... then that is your personal decision, and I respect that. I choose to believe that there is something behind it all, even though neither of us can scientifically prove the other wrong, although that was never my intent. I just wanted to point out that there are some of us Christians out there that are educated in this kind of stuff, although the VAST majority are clueless when it comes to science, and they ignorantly tend to focus only on religion..

 

[samoth]

FACT: There is no proof from ANYONE that explains how the world was created. Yes there are theories but they are not facts. How can you bash on someone elses way yet support your way, it's hypocritical.

Actually, we do know how the world was created. And the solar system. And to a lesser extent (obviously) the galaxy.

The only problem is mathematics breaking down at the singularity -- so the lack of anything is for the big bang or creation of the universe, i.e four-dimensional spacetime. However, time is assymetric, so if time itself was created at the initial singularity, we couldn't see or comprehend before it's creation anyways.

 

[samoth]

We've been overdue for a religion thread, haven't we?

 

[beefcake28]

Actually, we do know how the world was created. And the solar system. And to a lesser extent (obviously) the galaxy.

The only problem is mathematics breaking down at the singularity -- so the lack of anything is for the big bang or creation of the universe, i.e four-dimensional spacetime. However, time is assymetric, so if time itself was created at the initial singularity, we couldn't see or comprehend before it's creation anyways.

Exactly. Well said...

 

[Lestat]

Richard Dawkins...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe7yf9GJUfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_z85O0P2M

this Dawkins talk is one of my favorites of all time, intelligent, articulate, witty, and funny! I watched it again last night, its long but worth it.

 

[UA_Iron]

Maybe so but I bet comparision levels of Atheists vs Religious types are a little slanted. There are far more Religious people in the population than Atheists. Besides Atheism is a little strange in the first place, it's believing in not believing

believing in not believing? Atheism is as a lack of a god-belief, your statement is wrong.

How is atheism strange?

 

[Lestat]

good to see you back in the mix UA IRON!

 

[UA_Iron]

good to see you back in the mix UA IRON!

but of course. Its been hectic graduating and all the other shit thats going on.

 

[redsamurai]

God exists, I have met him. Oh well, noone will believe me anyway so it doesn't matter.

refresh my memory, when did you and I meet again??

 

[Lestat]

the clockwork, I don't get you at all

You don't know how the earth was created for a fact, neither do I, but I can't bash your ideas?

If I told you that I thought it was fecal matter from a huge angel, wouldn't you think that was ridiculous? I have ZERO proof of that. I could come up with an ancient book or two to support it, but would that really make it any more credible? NO.

And how is atheism weird? YOU are an atheist to the VAST majority of religions ou there right? So how is that weird? You know exactly what it is to be an atheist in respect to every single religion but your own.

I don't believe in all kinds of things, as I am sure you don't either, and that is more normal than anything.