The Biblical Believers....

[Lestat]

Thats what I'm saying. Thats not what the bible says.

So ; thats what someone else said. Not God. Not the bible. Its not a part of being a Christian.

The Bible was written by men, translated by men, and interpreted by men. What do you expect?

The bible does say if your son comes home talking about other gods, you should throw the first stone.

All kinds of nice little gems like that in the Bible, but people interpret some things figuratively, some literally, some say we have to believe in this, but not this, do this, but not that. It doesn't take very long to realize its all a bunch of crap.

And phaded, why would anyone try to disprove atheism? How do you disprove, a LACK of a belief?

Do you believe in Islam? No right? How would someone disprove your lack of belief in it? You can't. You can only try to prove that something is true.

 

[needtogetaas]

you know that prickly feeling on your neck? or when it gets really cold? thats jesus..

lol

 

[Phaded]

The Bible was written by men, translated by men, and interpreted by men. What do you expect?

The bible does say if your son comes home talking about other gods, you should throw the first stone.

All kinds of nice little gems like that in the Bible, but people interpret some things figuratively, some literally, some say we have to believe in this, but not this, do this, but not that. It doesn't take very long to realize its all a bunch of crap.

And phaded, why would anyone try to disprove atheism? How do you disprove, a LACK of a belief?

Do you believe in Islam? No right? How would someone disprove your lack of belief in it? You can't. You can only try to prove that something is true.

whatever you say have a nice time in hell loser..

 

[javaguru]

Many people do not believe in God (but dont claim to be athiest) because they dont know or dont care enough to even set out to see if God exists or not.

An athiest is a religion in itself ; setting out to prove that God does not exist and trying to convince others of such.

That is why numbers are low. I dont think that anyone thinks you are not a decent human if you dont belive in god.

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst) Pronunciation Key
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

You're an Atheist when it comes to Zeus and Odin.

re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj'ən) Pronunciation Key
n.

1.Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2.A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
3.The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
4.A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.



Exactly how is Atheism a religion? That's like claiming science is a religion. Most atheists simply claim there is no evidence for a supernatural creator deity and that's why they don't believe in one. Show me scientific evidence and I'll believe. The discussion is about letting people that don't believe in God know it's ok to admit it. I've had a number of PM's of people who grew up with a religious background thank me for bringing up the subject and exposing them to the writings of Dawkins.

I dont think that anyone thinks you are not a decent human if you dont belive in god.

When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice-president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates, had the following exchange with then-Vice-President Bush.




Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

 

[cindylou]

The Bible was written by men, translated by men, and interpreted by men. What do you expect?

The bible does say if your son comes home talking about other gods, you should throw the first stone.

All kinds of nice little gems like that in the Bible, but people interpret some things figuratively, some literally, some say we have to believe in this, but not this, do this, but not that. It doesn't take very long to realize its all a bunch of crap.

And phaded, why would anyone try to disprove atheism? How do you disprove, a LACK of a belief?

Do you believe in Islam? No right? How would someone disprove your lack of belief in it? You can't. You can only try to prove that something is true.

Okay. Thats fine. BUT what I'm saying is that you cant say that the Christian religion supports what java was saying becasue it does not. Christianity is based on the bible. Thats it. Who cares what anyone wrote in a speech or paper. That has nothing to do with it.

Its not fair to say that about Christians when thats not what they believe.

 

[cindylou]

Exactly how is Atheism a religion? That's like claiming science is a religion. Most atheists simply claim there is no evidence for a supernatural creator deity and that's why they don't believe in one. Show me scientific evidence and I'll believe. The discussion is about letting people that don't believe in God know it's ok to admit it. I've had a number of PM's of people who grew up with a religious background thank me for bringing up the subject and exposing them to the writings of Dawkins.


When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice-president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates, had the following exchange with then-Vice-President Bush.

lol. Okay so George Bush dont like you. He is not exactly a very good example of a christian ; if he is one at all.

I also meant kind of like a religion. I'm not sure what I said. ITS CLEAR that you are not religous.

Besides that. The bible does not support anyone judging you on your rejection of GOD. thats your rejection plain and simple. We are only commanded to love you all the same.

 

[Lestat]

Okay. Thats fine. BUT what I'm saying is that you cant say that the Christian religion supports what java was saying becasue it does not. Christianity is based on the bible. Thats it. Who cares what anyone wrote in a speech or paper. That has nothing to do with it.

Its not fair to say that about Christians when thats not what they believe.

I think most Christians can't agree on what they believe!

Think about it, this is ancient text, translated to English many times over now. The original text had now vowels!! There is a LOT of meaning that is derived through analysis and explanation. If you take 100 people, give them all the Bible to read, I would bet that you get 100 different interpretations of what it REALLY means to be a Christian, so who is right? Christians generally defer to the religious leaders of their particular denominations. Basically, they go with what makes most sense to them initially and then get spoon fed from pastors and ministers.

If we were all born and raised in India, we'd be having this same discussion about Hindi or Islam faith I would imagine.

 

[javaguru]

Okay. Thats fine. BUT what I'm saying is that you cant say that the Christian religion supports what java was saying becasue it does not. Christianity is based on the bible. Thats it. Who cares what anyone wrote in a speech or paper. That has nothing to do with it.

Its not fair to say that about Christians when thats not what they believe.

Like the evangelical Pastor that murdered the abortion doctor using the attributed words of Jesus from the Bible to justify his actions. You know the one about protecting the little children....He is widely viewed as a martyr among the pro life activists.

 

[cindylou]

I think most Christians can't agree on what they believe!

Think about it, this is ancient text, translated to English many times over now. The original text had now vowels!! There is a LOT of meaning that is derived through analysis and explanation. If you take 100 people, give them all the Bible to read, I would bet that you get 100 different interpretations of what it REALLY means to be a Christian, so who is right? Christians generally defer to the religious leaders of their particular denominations. Basically, they go with what makes most sense to them initially and then get spoon fed from pastors and ministers.

If we were all born and raised in India, we'd be having this same discussion about Hindi or Islam faith I would imagine.

we are supposed to interpret on our own. Thats how God speaks to our hearts. I know you dont understand. You have to not only think with a logical mind ; but you have to think spiritually as well.

You can go to a pastor / priest to help you understand what the bible means ; but the bible also tells us how to read it. Never spoon fed. You should be careful of any religion/ or person who says they need to interpret the bible for you. Most of the time they are doing it for their own good.

Most of the things Christians cannot agree on are small. Speaking in tongues/ if Jesus turned water into wine / is baptism essential or a symbol.... it goes on. Most things are quite clear otherwise. at least to me. lol I do the best I can reading it.

You have to open your heart to allow God to speak to you. He will speak to you if your heart is not bitter and hardened.

 

[cindylou]

Like the evangelical Pastor that murdered the abortion doctor using the attributed words of Jesus from the Bible to justify his actions. You know the one about protecting the little children....He is widely viewed as a martyr among the pro life activists.

thats terrorism.

It just is.

It has no place in christianity. A good example of religion being abused.