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I know, the whole thread is disgusting...
gjohnson5
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pintoca said:
Pintoca , I thought you were the diet expert???
Then let me educate you...
First lets start with what sugar is...
Sugar molecules are formed from carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen by the process known as photosynthesis. Yeasts convert sugar molecules into alcohol and carbon dioxide (CO2) by means of a simple enzymatic action. There are many forms of sugar and the name the whole family is known under is saccharide.
Under certain conditions sugar molecules have an attraction for one another and 2 small molecules combine and form a bigger molecule. Sometimes these molecules combine and then sometimes combine again etc creating complex saccharide molecules or chains.
Small simple sugars are called monosaccharides,
* when 2 simple sugars combine they are called disaccharides, and
* when 3 or more combine they are called polysaccharides.
Large polysaccharide molecules consist of thousands of small monosaccharide molecules; pectin, gums, and cellulose are examples of these.
Now lets talk about what alcohol or more correctly what ethanol is..
Ethanol has been made since ancient times by the fermentation of sugars. All beverage ethanol and more than half of industrial ethanol is still made by this process. Simple sugars are the raw material. Zymase, an enzyme from yeast, changes the simple sugars into ethanol and carbon dioxide. The fermentation reaction, represented by the simple equation C6H12O6 2 CH3CH2OH + 2 CO2 is actually very complex, and impure cultures of yeast produce varying amounts of other substances, including glycerine and various organic acids. In the production of beverages, such as whiskey and brandy, the impurities supply the flavor. Starches from potatoes, corn, wheat, and other plants can also be used in the production of ethanol by fermentation. However, the starches must first be broken down into simple sugars. An enzyme released by germinating barley, diastase, converts starches into sugars. Thus, the germination of barley, called malting, is the first step in brewing beer from starchy plants, such as corn and wheat.
So as I have shown alcohol is made from the fermentation of sugars in crops, since the structure of alcohol is not exactly a sugar but very close the body responds to in in the same manner. That manner is by using insulin to lower the blood sugar when you binge drink since drink are loaded with carbs. You can become hypoglycemic or diabetic from drinking but the main concern for long term binge drinkers is diabetes from elevated blood sugars due to constant drinking
The effects of alcohol on your blood sugar
The sugar glucose is the main energy source for all tissues. Glucose is derived from three sources: from food; from synthesis (manufacture) in the body; and from the breakdown of glycogen, a form of glucose that the body stores in the liver. Hormones help to maintain a constant concentration of glucose in the blood. This is especially important for the brain because it cannot make or store glucose but depends on glucose supplied by the blood. Even brief periods of low glucose levels (hypoglycemia) can cause brain damage.
Two hormones that are secreted by the pancreas and that regulate blood glucose levels are insulin and glucagon. Insulin lowers the glucose concentration in the blood; glucagon raises it. Because prevention of hypoglycemia is vital for the body, several hormones from the adrenal glands and pituitary back up glucagon function.
Alcohol consumption interferes with all three glucose sources and with the actions of the regulatory hormones. Chronic heavy drinkers often have insufficient dietary intake of glucose (8). Without eating, glycogen stores are exhausted in a few hours (1). In addition, the body's glucose production is inhibited while alcohol is being metabolized (2). The combination of these effects can cause severe hypoglycemia 6 to 36 hours after a binge- drinking episode (1).
Even in well-nourished people, alcohol can disturb blood sugar levels. Acute alcohol consumption, especially in combination with sugar, augments insulin secretion and causes temporary hypoglycemia (9). In addition, studies in healthy subjects (10) and insulin-dependent diabetics (3) have shown that acute alcohol consumption can impair the hormonal response to hypoglycemia.
Chronic heavy drinking, in contrast, has been associated with excessive blood glucose levels (hyperglycemia). Chronic alcohol abuse can reduce the body's responsiveness to insulin and cause glucose intolerance in both healthy individuals (11) and alcoholics with liver cirrhosis (12). In fact, 45 to 70 percent of patients with alcoholic liver disease are glucose intolerant or are frankly diabetic (1). In animals, chronic alcohol administration also increases secretion of glucagon and other hormones that raise blood g lucose levels (13).
Alcohol consumption can be especially harmful in people with a predisposition to hypoglycemia, such as patients who are being treated for diabetes (3,4). Alcohol can interfere with the management of diabetes in different ways. Acute as well as chronic alcohol consumption can alter the effectiveness of hypoglycemic medications (14,15). Treatment of diabetes by tight control of blood glucose levels is difficult in alcoholics, and both hypoglycemic and hyperglycemic episodes are common (4). In a Japanese study, alcoholics with diabetes had a significantly lower survival rate than other alcoholics (16).
Long term alcohol abuse will not only effect your blood sugar but insulin will cary it to muscles thus weakening them. Here are some studies with back my theory.
Alcohol probably lowers your igf-1
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/81/2/503
Which should definitly cause a strength loss
The graph here clearly show the patients that regularly abused alcohol had much lower strength then those that didn't
http://hepatitis-central.com/hcv/liver/neuropathy/figure1.html
To end today's lesson...
The key here is moderation. Moderate consumption of alcohol has been shown to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease, but excessive alcohol intake can damage your liver, heart and stop your body’s ability repair and build muscle tissue. You should limit your intake of alcohol to no more than a couple of drinks, 1-2 times per week. The problem happens when you go overboard. Getting “wasted” will decrease your body’s recovery capability; cause a reduction in protein synthesis and reduce your strength.
pintoca
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Man, that is a nice read, thanks for taking the time to post this.
Ok, first off, I am not a diet expert, much less a self-proclaimed one. I do happen to be a good observer and a good project manager... I take my cutting as a project and myself as my own customer, so I demand to have documentation!!! On the basis of my documentation I have made a number of observations which happen to work for other people also... that is all there is to it.
I also researched yesterday about this and concluded it was basically a case of wrong words selection as Alcohol, is not "stored in your muscles" per se, but has a number of effects that will make consequences similar to that happening.
From my research yesterday I can comment the following two which I believe are important for us
1. Alcohol interferes with rehydration and glycogen synthesis. Which is SPECIALLY important if the drinking occurs after working out.
2.The use of alcohol causes impaired gluconeogenesis and lowers resting muscle glycogen levels.
So, Alcohol has a diuretic and catabolic effect (besides the notion that it raises estrogen levels)
So coming back to your original claim:
1. Alcohol is not stored in the muscles, it is metabolized at the liver and broke down.
2. It will weaken you in general because of the effect it has on CHO metabolism and its catabolic effect
All in all, I think we come down to an academic exercise... I have to agree on your last comment, though: Moderation is key
Pintoca
Ok, first off, I am not a diet expert, much less a self-proclaimed one. I do happen to be a good observer and a good project manager... I take my cutting as a project and myself as my own customer, so I demand to have documentation!!! On the basis of my documentation I have made a number of observations which happen to work for other people also... that is all there is to it.
I also researched yesterday about this and concluded it was basically a case of wrong words selection as Alcohol, is not "stored in your muscles" per se, but has a number of effects that will make consequences similar to that happening.
From my research yesterday I can comment the following two which I believe are important for us
1. Alcohol interferes with rehydration and glycogen synthesis. Which is SPECIALLY important if the drinking occurs after working out.
2.The use of alcohol causes impaired gluconeogenesis and lowers resting muscle glycogen levels.
So, Alcohol has a diuretic and catabolic effect (besides the notion that it raises estrogen levels)
So coming back to your original claim:
1. Alcohol is not stored in the muscles, it is metabolized at the liver and broke down.
2. It will weaken you in general because of the effect it has on CHO metabolism and its catabolic effect
All in all, I think we come down to an academic exercise... I have to agree on your last comment, though: Moderation is key
Pintoca
gjohnson5
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pintoca said:
You're still wrong....
If alcohol was completely broken down in your liver then how do you get drunk? Your liver can only process 1 drink an hour so that's where BAC comes in?
Let me explain
Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) is the amount of alcohol in the bloodstream. It is measured in percentages. For instance, having a BAC of 0.10 percent means that a person has 1 part alcohol per 1,000 parts blood in the body.
A first step in managing alcohol service involves understanding what happens to the alcohol that your patrons drink. As the alcohol reaches your patron’s stomach, some of it is absorbed and enters the bloodstream immediately. However, most of it passes on into the small intestine where it is absorbed and goes eventually into the bloodstream. Approximately 90% of it leaves the body after being processed by the liver. This organ is able to process alcohol at a relatively fixed rate of one standard drink per hour.
If a patron has only one drink per hour, the liver can keep the body’s blood alcohol con-centration at a relatively safe level. However, if a patron has more than one drink per hour the liver cannot keep up its job of processing the alcohol and the percentage of alcohol in the blood begins to rise.
As alcohol builds up in the body, the activity of the brain, heart, and lungs may slow down. Early effects of alcohol consumption include impaired judgment, loss of self-control, and lessening of inhibitions. As more alcohol reaches the brain, the person’s physical abilities become significantly impaired and coordination is lost.
Basically if you binge drink , alcohol is all over your system.
Alcohol And The Body
Alcohol is absorbed from all parts of the gastrointestinal tract largely by simple diffusion into the blood, however the small intestine is by far the most efficient region of the gastrointestinal tract for alcohol absorption because of its very large surface area.
In a fasting individual, it is generally agreed that 20% to 25% of a dose of alcohol is absorbed from the stomach and 75% to 80% is absorbed from the small intestine. Because of this peak blood alcohol concentrations are achieved in fasting people within 0.5 to 2.0 hours, (average 0.75 - 1.35 hours depending upon dose and time of last meal) while non-fasting people exhibit peak alcohol concentrations within 1.0, and in extreme cases up to as much as 6.0 hours (average 1.06 - 2.12 hours).
Alcohol has a high affinity for water and is therefore found in body tissues and fluids inasmuch as they contain water. Absorbed alcohol is rapidly carried throughout the body in the blood and once absorption of alcohol is complete an equilibrium occurs such that blood at all points in the system contains approximately the same concentration of alcohol.
Alcohol And The Brain
Alcohol affects various centers in the brain, both higher and lower order. The centers are not equally affected by the same BAC -- the higher-order centers are more sensitive than the lower-order centers. As the BAC increases, more and more centers of the brain are affected.
* Cerebral Cortex: The cerebral cortex is the highest portion of the brain. The cortex processes information from your senses, does your "thought" processing and consciousness (in combination with a structure called the basal ganglia), initiates most voluntary muscle movements and influences lower-order brain centers. In the cortex, alcohol does the following:
o Depresses the behavioral inhibitory centers - The person becomes more talkative, more self-confident and less socially inhibited.
o Slows down the processing of information from the senses - The person has trouble seeing, hearing, smelling, touching and tasting; also, the threshold for pain is raised.
o Inhibits thought processes - The person does not use good judgement or think clearly.
o These effects get more pronounced as the BAC increases.
* Limbic System: The limbic system consists of areas of the brain called the hippocampus and septal area. The limbic system controls emotions and memory. As alcohol affects this system, the person is subject to exaggerated states of emotion (anger, aggressiveness, withdrawal) and memory loss.
* Cerebellum: The cerebellum coordinates the movement of muscles. The brain impulses that begin muscle movement originate in the motor centers of the cerebral cortex and travel through the medulla and spinal cord to the muscles. As the nerve signals pass through the medulla, they are influenced by nerve impulses from the cerebellum. The cerebellum controls fine movements. For example, you can normally touch your finger to your nose in one smooth motion with your eyes closed; if your cerebellum were not functioning, the motion would be extremely shaky or jerky. As alcohol affects the cerebellum, muscle movements become uncoordinated. In addition to coordinating voluntary muscle movements, the cerebellum also coordinates the fine muscle movements involved in maintaining your balance. So, as alcohol affects the cerebellum, a person loses his or her balance frequently. At this stage, this person might be described as "falling down drunk."
* Hypothalamus and Pituitary Gland: The hypothalamus is an area of the brain that controls and influences many automatic functions of the brain through actions on the medulla, and coordinates many chemical or endocrine functions (secretions of sex, thyroid and growth hormones) through chemical and nerve impulse actions on the pituitary gland. Alcohol has two noticeable effects on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland, which influence: and
o Sexual Behavior: Alcohol depresses the nerve centers in the hypothalamus that control sexual arousal and performance. As BAC increases, sexual behavior increases, but sexual performance declines.
o Urine Excretion: Alcohol inhibits the pituitary secretion of anti-diuretic hormone (ADH), which acts on the kidney to reabsorb water. Alcohol acts on the hypothalamus/pituitary to reduce the circulating levels of ADH. When ADH levels drop, the kidneys do not reabsorb as much water; consequently, the kidneys produce more urine.
* Medulla: The medulla, or brain stem, controls or influences all of the bodily functions that you do not have to think about, like breathing, heart rate, temperature and consciousness. As alcohol starts to influence upper centers in the medulla, such as the reticular formation, a person will start to feel sleepy and may eventually become unconscious as BAC increases. If the BAC gets high enough to influence the breathing, heart rate and temperature centers, a person will breathe slowly or stop breathing altogether, and both blood pressure and body temperature will fall. These conditions can be fatal.
Other Body Systems
In addition to the brain, alcohol can affect other body tissues. It has the following effects on other systems in the body:
* Irritates the linings of the stomach and intestine - This can lead to vomiting.
* Increases blood flow to the stomach and intestines - This increases secretions by these organs, most notably stomach acid secretion.
* Increases blood flow to the skin - This causes a person to sweat and look flushed. The sweating causes body heat to be lost, and the person's body temperature may actually fall below normal.
* Reduces blood flow to muscles - This can lead to muscle aches, most notably when a person recovers from the alcohol (the "hangover").
Yes alcohol , when you binge drink, should be found in muscle tissue
gjohnson5
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MM107 said:
I wish you liver DID process all the alcohol u drankl despite how much u drank because millions of people would not be dead in alcohol related crashes or injured such as this
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382558
A very poor response I would have to say
