is oil or peanut butter necessary for cutting?

[mm107]

Lignans are a special plant fiber found in flaxseed. And PUF's, polyunsaturated fats.

Interesting you say you have read the opposite, yet don't know what these are?

I have been posting about keeping fats up for test levels, but these type fats are not the type that does it.

About me reading, i have read in general FAT boost TEST levels, including ANPB Oil. Thats what im so confused about right now.

 

[mm107]

Vet-grade flax oil is full of lignans!!!

So pint are ya supporting Lifter statment about the Lignans not being good for boosting Test Levels? Im stumped right now, looking for something to back me up, If i cant find any documentation looks like Lifter is prob right

 

[mm107]

They (lignans) have now been shown to influence not only sex-hormone metabolism and biological activity but also intracellular enzymes, protein synthesis, growth factor action, malignant cell proliferation, differentiation and angiogenesis, making them strong candidates as natural cancer chemo-preventative compounds.

Ren S Lien EJ
Natural products and their derivatives as cancer chemopreventive agents.
In: Prog Drug Res (1997) 48:147 71

But it doesnt say in a good way or bad way, gonna figure this out

 

[Lifterforlife]

Here is a starter.....I know you will probably jump on the low fat line, but picking one line out does not make the study. The study points to a diet with a higher PUF and fiber content, from a diet higher in more supporting fats, some saturated fats. Less fat here simply means they cut out saturated fats, and subbed the PUF's and fiber(lignans are high in fiber).

Decrease of serum total and free testosterone during a low-fat high-fibre diet.

Hamalainen EK, Adlercreutz H, Puska P, Pietinen P.

The concentrations of serum total and free testosterone were studied in 30 healthy, middle-aged men during a dietary intervention program. When men were transferred from their customary diet to an experimental diet, which contained less fat with a higher polyunsaturated/saturated ratio (P/S-ratio) and more fibre, there was a significant decrease in serum total testosterone concentrations (22.7 +/- 1.2 vs 19.3 +/- 1.1 nmol/l SEM, P less than 0.001). Furthermore, serum free, unbound testosterone fell from 0.23 +/- 0.01 to 0.20 +/- 0.01 nmol/l SEM (P less than 0.01). The hormonal changes were reversible. This observation suggests that testosterone activity in plasma can at least partly be modified by changing the composition of the diet.

PMID: 6298507 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[mm107]

WOW, now thats interesting. So does Fishoil/Olive Oil boost Test Levels?

Damn, i know SAT FAT DOES Boost Test but didnt know that. Thanks Lifter.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Notice here in this study it was done on men with prostate cancer(reason for this it was surmised for quite a while that high test levels were a direct cause of prostate enlargement/cancer..they have since found that it is not at all, it is more the opposite, estrogen related). Anyway, this study shows that lowering sat fat intake and adding 30 gr. of flaxseed per day significantly lowered test levels. 30 gr. of flax by the way is a pretty decent amount, and many may not call this "low fat" at all.

Pilot Study of Dietary Fat Restriction and Flaxseed Supplementation in Men with Prostate Cancer Before Surgery: Exploring the Effects on Hormonal Levels, Prostate-specific Antigen, and Histopathologic Features

A lowfat (20% of kilocalories or less), flaxseed supplemented (30 g/day) diet was ingested by 25 patients with prostate cancer awaiting prostatectomy for an average of 34 days (21 to 77 days). The baseline and follow-up levels of prostate specific antigen, testosterone, free androgen index, and total serum cholesterol were determined. The tumors of patients on the test diet were compared with those of historic cases. Significant decreases were observed in total serum cholesterol (201 +/ 39 mg/dL to 174 +/ 42 mg/dL), total testosterone (422 +/ 122 ng/dL to 360 +/ 128 ng/dL), and free androgen index (36.3%+/ 18.9% to 29.3%+/ 16.8%) (all P <0.05). The baseline and follow-up levels of prostate-specific antigen were 8.1 +/- 5.2 ng/mL and 8.5 +/-7.7 ng/mL, respectively, for the entire sample (P = 0.58); among men with Gleason sums of 6 or less (n = 19), the PSA values were 7.1 +/3.9 ng/mL and 6.4 +/4.1 ng/mL (P = 0.10). The mean proliferation index was 7.4 +/7.8 for the historic controls versus 5.0 +/4.9 for the diet treated patients (P = 0.05). Both the proliferation rate and apoptosis were significantly associated with the number of days on the diet (P = 0.049 and P = 0.017, respectively). The authors recommend further studies to determine the benefit of this dietary regimen on prostate cancer biology and associated biomarkers.

Authors: Demark-Wahnefried W, Price DT, Polascik TJ, Robertson CN, Anderson EE, Paulson DF, Walther PJ, Gannon M, Vollmer RT.

Source: Urology. Vol 58, no. 1: 47-52, July 2001.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Olive oil yes.


To explain the above study a bit in terms that may help you...

Natural fibers(brans and oat hulls) as well as purified fibers(cellulose and lignins), have the ability to bind natural steroid hormones. In vitro studies have suggested lignin has the greatest impact on binding streoid hormones. Each natural fiber bound the following % of hormones....lignin(87%), followed by wheat and oat bran(45%), corn bran(44%), and oat hulls((32%). A combination of a low fat diet, flaxseed rich(high source of lignan), and Omega 3 fatty acids over a 34 day period(check study above ) rsulted in a significant decrease in test and free test.

Vegetarians consuming about 50 gr. of fiber a day excrete in stool samples approximately twice as much estrone, estadiol-17 and testosterone compared to omnivores consuming 20 gr. of fiber per day.

 

[John WB]

So which fats are best and won't lower Test levels?

 

[Lifterforlife]

It may be good here to make a point...I replied to someone in an email, and instead of retyping, (I think I am inherently lazy these days ), here is a copy and paste of the email reply I sent him.

I am of course not advocating going out and eating a ton of sat fat, but some "cycling" may be of good benefit if you have no prior issues with cholesterol or heredity issues. It is in fact well documented these days that dietary fat intake has little impact on cholesterol.

I am simply pointing out that those who consume low fat diets year round may well be missing out on strength and size gains due to sub optimal test production.

 

[phatinem]

I have flaxseed capsules but I dont knwo how many to take??

215 in wieght
5'7
about 20% BF