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i think ill quit dieting, and just do massive cardio to get ripped

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since when did the body learn to stop burning calories? To say your body will burn less and less calories doing the same activity is nonsence. Where's the magic switch that turns of calorie burning? The more muscle to fat ratio you aqquire will even increase calorie burning. Therefore, loosing fat will make you burn calories at a higher more efficient rate.
 
The magic switch that turns off calorie burning is called adaptation. Once the body can perform a task well it requires less energy (calories) to do it -- which is why progressive resistance exercise (i.e. weight lifting) is the only logical choice toward burning fat. Aerobics are just a less effective form of exercise. In other words, they're a waste of time.


Now watch...someone will say; "What about working your HEART!" (That one always makes me chuckle.)
 
No, I don't agree, show me studies on this belief. Calories are burned for energy. Like a fire burns wood. Your telling me that when a fire gets burning well -it requires less wood to keep burning? That being said, to keep the body performing an activity it will keep burning calories, theres no shut off switch -sorry.
 
From what I've read on this stuff thus far, I'd have to agree with Solid. It doesn't make much sense that the body will burn less just because it's used to that exercise.
 
The wood burning example just isn't analogous to a living organism. Studies? Do a search yourself. I don't have the studies available that explain the concept of gravity but it still exists.

Of course the body will use less energy for something it's used to. This is common sense -- or if you prefer, common law of physiology. The more exertion required, the more energy expelled.
 
So did Conan get so cut from turning that wheel for so many years? :D

Nelson Montana said:
After running a marathon, the average weight loss is four pounds. Three of which is water. Of the remaining one pound, at least half is muscle. That means it requires running 26 miles in a couple of hours in order to lose a few ounces of fat. How much fat do you think you're going to lose running 5 miles a week?
Aerobics are the big lie.

First off, running a marathon in a couple of hours would be a rather stunning feat if you have either excess bodyfat or muscle. By sheer numbers, on paper, yes, it would amount to at most a half pound of fat loss. However, what must be considered is how fat is utilized for energy in cardio activities repeated several times during a weekly period, in which case, there is different energy expenditure based on level of hydration, body demand vs. tissue nutrient availability, intensity, conditioning, external and still more internal factors, etc.

Aside from the fact that contrary to popular belief that cardio only burns fat while you are doing it, there are metabolic changes that accompany a sustained schedule cardio program. The efficiency that occurs is also a function of the adaptation that you are speaking of. One of the adaptations that occurs is the body's desire to speed the metabolism in attempt to prevent excess body mass from becoming an obstacle for future cardio work efforts. Additionally, the calories burned at the beginning of a cardio session are not the same types burned later in the same session. If they were, we would all be sweating within moments of starting cardio and there would generally be less of a decline in available energy. We're getting into a whole new ball game at this point as hormones and neurotransmitters are also key players in the game of determining available energy production pathways. So I will not delve into it too deeply as this is already going to be a long post.

What I believe you are not calculating is energy production and how it is affected by physiological mechanisms. Take for instance intensity & conditioning: both factors are relative in terms of how a given individual will respond to the stress of cardio. If we were all the same level of conditioning we would all have the same level of intensity. Human applied physics verifies that work and work duty are functions of effort, load and other factors. Greater load (person with more mass) is going to mirror greater effort for a given amount of work in comparison to a lesser load for the same work duty. In English, a heavier person walking up a long flight of stairs is going to have not only more exertion than a skinny person but greater load. This does not change nearly regardless of bodymass type. In the case of a skinny person and a bodybuilder walking up the long flight of stairs, the work effort is going to mirror the load capacity for both, but in quantifiable terms, it takes greater effort for the bodybuilder.

Adaptation can and does occur for many functions of the body. Adaptation is the shortcut of the body to do less work by way of lessening either load or work. The most successful way the body can do this is by way of bodymass reduction. Equal and opposing forces that cause a need for adapatation definitely apply in this case. If one is doing a ton of cardio, working out with progressive resistance training and eating according to good nutrition principles, then the body will have stimulus to be able to adapt to the workload of working out by maintaining muscle mass, as well as adapting to the cardio exercise by metabolically utilizing the tissue that will satisfy the adaptation need. In this case, it is fat. But let me underscore that there must be adequate nutritional principles in play here for this to be successful in terms of muscle mass maintenance and fat loss simultaneously.

If one ONLY works out with weights, unless one takes all measures possible to avoid adaptation (risking overtraining in some cases) then the body will attempt to adapt just the same albeit in a different mechanism. If this is not the case, then there would be no need for pro bodybuilders to ever need drugs for cutting...everyone would be ripped to the bone already just from eating right and lifting weights.

Yet I think we can all agree that if an overweight person started exercising by preparing for a triathlon and eating the right foods that their body would adapt by dropping weight. In my opinion, the big lie about cardio for many people may be in the readiness for the body to return to previous body fat set point should they cease activity. I won't argue with that.

But to say that cardio is a big lie in my opinion is far from the truth as many people have come to know. That it is just one part in the role of losing excess bodyfat I do agree.
 
BAckDoc. A very articulate reply. But it's wrong.

I'll try and address each point as you presented them.

Of course the calories burned at the end of a cardio session (or any session for that matter) is greater because the stress to the body has accumulated. You're convoluting the issue with a lot of specious supposedly scientific speculation. (A common trait on these threads). Allow logic to speak for itself.

Next: A person's weight is just one factor. A 150 pound out of shape person will exert more energy than a 200 pound conditioned person. That ends this argument.

The fact that the body magically goes into "fat burning mode" when doing low level activity, yet doesn't burn fat when doing a high level activity is one of the most preposterous ideas being perpetuated in the fitness and bodybuilding community. It's just parroted misinformation. Geez, even Kenneth Cooper (the guy who came up with the term "aerobics") admitted this wasn't the case.

Your comment that if weight lifting were all that was needed then pros wouldn't have to resort to drug use doesn't even have anything to do with this discussion.

Concerning the remark that cardio is a part of burning fat that " many people" have come to know" is a presumption. True, many people erroneously believe it to be so, but the sheer numbers of incorrect people has nothing to do with the truth at hand.

In the past, I have offered a challenge to readers of my work. They were to cut calories, and cut ALL aerobic training, and replace it with an equal duration of "pump style" weight training. Many people argued, spouting study after study after study. Yet, EVERYONE who followed the advice agreed: The fat loss results were far better with an all weight training regime than with a weight training/cardio regime.

Aerobics are the big lie. Deal with it.
 
Nelson Montana said:
BAckDoc. A very articulate reply. But it's wrong. I'll try and address each point as you presented them. Of course the calories burned at the end of a cardio session (or any session for that matter) is greater because the stress to the body has accumulated. You're convoluting the issue with a lot of specious supposedly scientific speculation. (A common trait on these threads). Allow logic to speak for itself.Next: A person's weight is just one factor. A 150 pound out of shape person will exert more energy than a 200 pound conditioned person. That ends this argument. The fact that the body magically goes into "fat burning mode" when doing low level activity, yet doesn't burn fat when doing a high level activity is one of the most preposterous ideas being perpetuated in the fitness and bodybuilding community. It's just parroted misinformation. Geez, even Kenneth Cooper (the guy who came up with the term "aerobics") admitted this wasn't the case.Your comment that if weight lifting were all that was needed then pros wouldn't have to resort to drug use doesn't even have anything to do with this discussion.Concerning the remark that cardio is a part of burning fat that " many people" have come to know" is a presumption. True, many people erroneously believe it to be so, but the sheer numbers of incorrect people has nothing to do with the truth at hand. In the past, I have offered a challenge to readers of my work. They were to cut calories, and cut ALL aerobic training, and replace it with an equal duration of "pump style" weight training. Many people argued, spouting study after study after study. Yet, EVERYONE who followed the advice agreed: The fat loss results were far better with an all weight training regime than with a weight training/cardio regime. Aerobics are the big lie. Deal with it.



I'm not going to buy your book just to hear your scientific rationale. I understand that posting your references could limit book sales if you divulge them, so I won't press you to do so. I guess I'm just not a propaganda junkie who feels that the fitness and bodybuilding community has so successfully kept hidden the real truths that the developers of the Roswell Project would turn green with envy.

If logic spoke for itself in this case, as you put it---or more aptly---if it always spoke the truth, we'd all be good listeners and there would be no need for statements to the contrary.

By the way, "pump style weight training" instead of cardio for the purposes of weight loss is not a new concept.
 
Hmm

I think you have got the wrong IDEA on the whole diet cutting thing. I was at around 5% bf for 3 months, it was the greatest time of my life, I loved waking up and having abs without flexing, not to sound like an ass, but any chanche I got to go shirtless I would, or wear a tank top. Then I said Okim gonna bulk put on 40lbs and I became an unhappy mess. Im now around 200 at 6% bf, and my main goal is to maintain my level of cutness and bodyfat. I dont diet, I eat on a plan, I take the foods I love, and make them taste good, or find healthy alternatives. I also eat alot of fiber which really fulls you up. When Cutting I do bodyweight X 10 divided into 6=8 meals. When Maintaining like right now I do bodyweight X 11 2 days bodyweight X 12 2 days, and 3 days at X 13. If I know im gonna go out and drink or have a dinner date I eat less all day and save my calories. You cant get fat from one meal, just stay on track. Here is a typical day of eating for me Hope this kinda helps

8am 3/4 C Oat Meal, I add equal and Cinnamon
1 Scoop of Whey 335cals
11am 10 Egg whites, 4 peices of lowfat high fiber Whole wheat bread, gives me 30grams of protein 40 carbs, and 1 gram of fat.
310Cals
1pm 2 Roast Beef Sandwhiches, healthy choice Roastbeef 4 oz, 2oz on each sandwhich, fat free mayo, and that high fiber bread
300cals
3pm 1 Cup refried beans, 1 all natural whole wheat tortilla, and salsa, 320cals
6pm Chicken Steak, Veggies, 400cals
9pm 3 scoops of whey, 2 scoops of citrucel, makes my whey slow digesting, and gets released all night long
330Cals
 
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I think I see your problem. You're going from one extreme to another all the time. You'll go on 1200cal/day diets for a month, then hit up 6000cal/day (if I remember right) for a month and keep switching. So here's my advice: Forget the "cutting" and "bulking." Get to a bodyfat you feel compfortable with and just try to maintain it while adding some muscle slowly. There's no need to torture yourself w/a diet or gain a ton of fat when you wanna bulk up.
You work construction all day, so you're very active, plus you weigh, what, about 240? And you're 6'6''? That's a ton of calories you can eat right there just to maintain. Just eat around maintenence cals and lift, and do some cardio if you want.
Basically, I think you're over-complicating everything and looking for the quickest results (I'm the same way) you can get. Just make smart food choices, lift and don't focus so much on what you're eating.
 
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