The Biblical Believers....

[redsamurai]

Did GW actually say that?

I don't like the religious right any more than you do. trust me on that one.

However, there is no need to be so ANGRY at all people who believe in God.

Doesn't that make you as dogmatic as those you oppose?

there is VERY good reason to be angry, I'm sorry if you don't see it.......but I personally am angry because all of life is dictated by these people who wish to control me, tell me what to do, when to do it, how to do it...etc.... Where do you think this overbearing government that wishes to "protect you" from yourself comes from?? I mean really, think about it. We are not "free people"........it's a delusion fed to us since birth.......we're all "owned" in someway or another. Why do so many people drink or do something else to seek respite from their lives?.....it's because they're not who they feel they should be, that's why they allow us that vice.......because they can control it, tax it.......and not much "inner discovery" comes from getting smashed with your boys and talking about pussy.........all bullshit aside.

 

[redsamurai]

This thread was made because Phaded said I was going to hell. I made this thread and posted for him to take it here instead of hijacking another thread. Go look at the "Greatest Armies" thread for the origin of this one.

I have a right to be angry, atheists are subject to discrimination on all levels. Bush Sr. said that atheists are not only unpatriotic but we shouldn't even be considered citizens because we lack the proper vision for the country. I fought in a war under that dickweed's watch.Do you think a sitting president could have gotten away with saying that about Catholics?

holy fuck did he really fucking say that?? not that I don't beleive you bro, but could you possibly find a link to those quotes? I want to save that and send it to some people..........god if that's true....

 

[redsamurai]

it just seems to me that humans do shit like torture others, revel in violence and suffering, unlike anything else in the animal kingdom. is this really what the "creator" or "god" that anyone believes in had in mind? Why not create a world without suffering?

I want to make people suffer.........I want to take every individual that has forsaken his humanity in favor of religious dogma so that he doesn't have to subject himself to tough moral decisions where he has to look deep within himself................and give him a 2000 year long purple nurple.


Ok, all bullshit aside..........there's alot of religious people in this world that need to go if humanity is going to right itself. We can only fix this place if we drop every preconceived notion of being better than someone else because of A, B, C or D. Stop trying to constantly put ourselves above someone else to make ourselves feel better...........only then are we going to be whole as a race. And that unfortunately means that people who adhere to strict religious dogma that tells them they're "chosen" or one day they're going to be "raptured" or if they kill someone and subsequently die for the furtherment of their religion they will recieve 75 virgins.........yeah, all those people have to be put down like dogs. They've ruined us

 

[javaguru]

holy fuck did he really fucking say that?? not that I don't beleive you bro, but could you possibly find a link to those quotes? I want to save that and send it to some people..........god if that's true....

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm

When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice-president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates, had the following exchange with then-Vice-President Bush.




Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

 

[javaguru]

Did GW actually say that?

I don't like the religious right any more than you do. trust me on that one.

However, there is no need to be so ANGRY at all people who believe in God.

Doesn't that make you as dogmatic as those you oppose?

Iraq is God's fault not GW's.....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

 

[heatherrae]

Sort of sad how much religion has shaped humanity, all of the violence, the old testament genocide. Why on earth would a god tell his people to brutally murder an entire race like that?

People just want to kill each other. They will hang their hats on anything and twist it to support their greed/anger/whatever.

 

[heatherrae]

there is VERY good reason to be angry, I'm sorry if you don't see it.......but I personally am angry because all of life is dictated by these people who wish to control me, tell me what to do, when to do it, how to do it...etc.... Where do you think this overbearing government that wishes to "protect you" from yourself comes from?? I mean really, think about it. We are not "free people"........it's a delusion fed to us since birth.......we're all "owned" in someway or another. Why do so many people drink or do something else to seek respite from their lives?.....it's because they're not who they feel they should be, that's why they allow us that vice.......because they can control it, tax it.......and not much "inner discovery" comes from getting smashed with your boys and talking about pussy.........all bullshit aside.

I don't see how that is germane to the topic at hand.



We are talking about religion not our government.

You know I'm not pro-Bush, so that is like preaching to the choir.

I just think that being intolerant of Christians because you view Christians as being intolerant is flawed logic.

I don't care if people are atheists. One of my brothers and one of my sisters is atheist. Doesn't bother me. My beliefs don't bother them. We are lassiez faire ...lol.

 

[redsamurai]

it's quite relevant........the point I made about our overbearing government is.......IMO........it's a direct result of a christian society that has always sought to control people and tell them how to live their lives......and that's exactly what our government does, because of christian influence IMO. Now, when these senators discuss why a grown man should be forbidden from injecting himself with testosterone to improve his quality of life.....I'm not suggesting they reach for their bibles to see what Jesus had to say on the subject. What I'm suggesting is that most people in this country have been raised christian, ergo most people who run our government are some kind of christian.........and since christians feel that all life on earth should be controlled and we're animals that need constant saving from ourselves..........I'm making the argumentative leap that the reason I could possibly have a felony thrown at me for nothing more than being in possession of a fluid which is a synthetic copy of something already made in my own body........is that this country is overrun by overbearing knowitall christians who think I need to be saved from myself. Same thing with marijuana..........and even worse with that, because I feel marijuana can be very spiritual and people who use it properly begin to question too many things and come to their own conclusions about alot of things including........."spirituality"...............and that as we know, is a big no-no to the ruling christians..........because they want your spirituality to revolve around christ and nothing else. To allow otherwise is too lose control........which in the end is all religion is about.........controlling your and mine spiritual journey.........which to me is an offense that I will see all of them in hell for.

I don't see how that is germane to the topic at hand.



We are talking about religion not our government.

You know I'm not pro-Bush, so that is like preaching to the choir.

I just think that being intolerant of Christians because you view Christians as being intolerant is flawed logic.

I don't care if people are atheists. One of my brothers and one of my sisters is atheist. Doesn't bother me. My beliefs don't bother them. We are lassiez faire ...lol.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Simmer down you little misanthropists

 

[javaguru]

Simmer down you little misanthropists

You better fling some poo if you post up in this thread.