Is cardio while cutting a waste?

[guards]

It is a rediculous notion, IMO, to try and lose weight without any cardio.


Perhaps there are proffesional athletes that can achieve a low BF without cardio, but I will guarantee they have spent years learning their bodies and what they need and don't need to become shredded.


Light cardio, 3-5 times a week on an empty stomache first thing in the morning coupled with a good diet will make you lean. That is a fact. Getting cut without cardio is a debate.


Why not pick the fact? You have better odds in something that has already beeen proven time and time again.


My 2 cents

 

[Yll]

It is a rediculous notion, IMO, to try and lose weight without any cardio.


Perhaps there are proffesional athletes that can achieve a low BF without cardio, but I will guarantee they have spent years learning their bodies and what they need and don't need to become shredded.


Light cardio, 3-5 times a week on an empty stomache first thing in the morning coupled with a good diet will make you lean. That is a fact. Getting cut without cardio is a debate.


Why not pick the fact? You have better odds in something that has already beeen proven time and time again.


My 2 cents

Ya its a fact that the diet will make you lean alone but is the cardio really needed. I dont see why if you are one who can manipulate your diet.

 

[vitor97]

LAZY

All this crap about if you have enough energy for cardio you didnt lift enough is crap. Lifting and cardio work 2 diffrient pathways, IF you do a heavy chest workout, hardcore, 12-23 sets, 3-5 exercises, and do some abs, unless your a fat peice of shit you should have plenty of energy to do 30mins of cardio.


I would challange anyone to see who could lose more bodyfat in one month, They can lift and diet, I will lift/diet/do cardio and I guarntee I would win. I couldnt do this contest now because im at 9%. But on a good day I wake up at 7am, roll out of bed, do 30-60mins of cardio eat , start my day and goto the gym a few hours later.

You can lax on your diet more when u burn an extra 300-600 Calories. Personally I do 30mins and get around 600cals on the life fitness cross trainer, Im at around 95rpms, but I love that machine. Put in a good MIX tape and roll

 

[johnboy]

cardio is good

I personally get mine through a fast walk no running. I have heard that running can burn muscle but don't know if its true. To me it seemed to cause a slight loss. Walking burn fat without burning muscle.

 

[SDRaver]

Bottom line....

If it was supposed to be easy everybody would be doing it.

 

[SoCAmuscle]

BULLSHIT-I KNOW 1 OF THE TOP PROS IN THE WORLD AND HE KNOWS ALL OF THE TOP GUYS AND HE TOLD ME THAT FOR AT LEAST 2 WEEKS PRE CONTEST, THEY ALL DO CARDIO-SOME ALOT, SOME A LITTLE

True dat. One of the top pros works out at my gym and he does some cardio a few weeks prior to competition. It is very low impact, but cardio nonetheless!

 

[Vageta]

I'm sorry but I highly doubt doing 30 mins on a cross training machine will burn 600 calories. THIS is the reason people think cardio is so awesome, they totally overestimate caloric expendature. And what's this "lax" diet thing? The whole idea of this post was to say with perfect diet manipulation you can lose fat without cardio. Saying cardio allows you to be lax in your diet totally works against your arguement.

And to the person who said the pros do cardio for the last 2 weeks prior to competition. They've probably been dieting for 16 weeks so how is 2 out of 16 anything to mention? Also most pros are already at a bodyfat that 99.9% of us will ever attain before they begin that cardio. This argument is completely useless.

Face it people, you can get lean without cardio. There is absolutely no question about it. If you have the discipline to nail your diet perfectly then you won't have to do cardio. Weight training and a good diet are all that is needed. If you choose to do it then fine. I don't see why people get so defensive as if to make themselves feel justified for the hours they spend slugging on a machine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing cardio if you choose to do it. However the 30 mins you spend on a machine a couple of days a week will NOT make or break your fat loss plan. If you have to rely on this method to lose fat then you need to take a really hard look at your diet.

If you want to bring up the idea that cardio benefits your cardiovascular system, increases endurace, etc.. then fine. However this thread was only in reference to cardio being used as a fat loss tool.

Also just to bring this up, doing cardio on an empty stomach first thing in the morning isn't always the best thing to do if you're interested in keeping all of your mass. Especially those 60 minute ironman sessions. At least have a quick protein shake before stepping on the treadmill to halt catabolism. It is a known fact that after an all night fast your body is in a catabolic state. Jumping on a treadmill for an hour isn't going to help this situation any.

 

[vitor97]

Ok

I disagree, None of us are ever gonna be ronnie coleman, maybe a few of us will be 250 ripped. But To get a nice body and have a good six pack, cardio is neccessary, you can lift weights eat a perfect diet but why not eat good lift, and add some cardio get more benefits, cardio is supposed to make u feel good and it does. Try it

 

[Yll]

Posted by Vageta

I don't see why people get so defensive as if to make themselves feel justified for the hours they spend slugging on a machine.


I was thinking the same thing. The reason many people are so defensive is so they dont look stupid for something they have done(including myself) year after year that was completely unneccesary. I am not trying to examine the cardiovascular benefits of aerobic exercise but am trying to look at its benefits(if any) of decreasing bodyfat for the serious bodybuilder.
Most of us could care less if our heart is being conditioned. I just wanted someone to help me realize that all those wasted AM cardio sessions didnt do jack shit for me and never will. I am amazed at some of the responses I have gotten. Many Top level BB in this forum tend to agree with the "Cardio doesnt burn fat theory". The bottom line is counting your calories right and consuming them with perfect timing combined with an excellent weight training program and supplementation/drugs will get you to your desired level of bodyfat. In additon to that the cardio will do absolutely nothing to lower your bodyfat % unless you have exceeded your maintanence calorie intake and have not properly utilized the timing of your calorie consumption. The drugs and supplements are just an edge to intensify this effect hence leaving cardio machines as nothing but a tool to burn calories or condition the cardiovascular system(Not decrease bodyfat %).

 

[flexed1]

cardio to get lean say 8% no cardio to go on stage yes without a doubt. ripped glutes don't come form diet sorry or heavy exercise it comes form exercise,diet and cardio. can cardio burn muscle? yes without a doubt. i over did my cardio for my last show and came in to lean losing size in my thighs. was i ripped? yup but at the exspense of musscle. now its a high incline moderate speed and 20-25 minutes 3-4 times a week before a show. to me it makes a big difference and helps the diet kick in more. thats just my personal experience.