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that's your opinion-eating that way is what I do and It does not help as much as cardioWombat said:
Is cardio while cutting a waste?
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Wombat is right on but then again this just goes back to personal preference doesn't it? I mean everyone reacts differently to certain aspects of training. You couldn't compare similarities to a person training on gear vs. not on gear, I think it would apply with Cardio as well.
It seems everything you read says in order to loose bf you MUST do cardio, I dont buy it. I struggle right around 10% but Iv recently conformed my diet with positive results. Everytime I start cardio in my routine I loose muscle mass...enough of that SHIT, I'm going to work my diet to a "T" and lift like a motherfu--er. Iv made some other supplement moves and adjusted my fat intake as well, I'm breaking thru to my 6 pack and that's all that matters.
6'3 210 10%bf (no gear) I'm getting there
Wombat is right on but then again this just goes back to personal preference doesn't it? I mean everyone reacts differently to certain aspects of training. You couldn't compare similarities to a person training on gear vs. not on gear, I think it would apply with Cardio as well.
It seems everything you read says in order to loose bf you MUST do cardio, I dont buy it. I struggle right around 10% but Iv recently conformed my diet with positive results. Everytime I start cardio in my routine I loose muscle mass...enough of that SHIT, I'm going to work my diet to a "T" and lift like a motherfu--er. Iv made some other supplement moves and adjusted my fat intake as well, I'm breaking thru to my 6 pack and that's all that matters.
6'3 210 10%bf (no gear) I'm getting there
Anyone who thinks cardio is "required" in order to get ripped needs to start thinking outside of the box and quit reading muscle and fitness. It is absolutely possible to get to a low bodyfat from diet and weight training alone. If you want to do cardio then go for it, but don't preach about how you won't get lean without it. I have at best an average metabolism and I am able to cut without cardio.
The biggest help cardio does is to burn calories in general, not specifically fat calories. You get on a treadmill for 30 mins you burn maybe 2-300 calories max. Not all of that will be fat anyways, however it will still help your caloric deficit. I find just being extra active during the day is just as good as cardio. Use the stairs instead of an elevator, walk the long way around your workplace, stand instead of sitting when possible, etc... You can burn the same amount of calories as you would have in your 30 min treadmill session but you'll burn it all day long so it won't necessarily cause muscle catabolism as badly.
If you really want to get a benefit out of cardio then don't do the low intensity crap. Do the HIIT type training and do sprints. At least studies have shown that this will boost metabolism for hours after your sprinting and will help boost natural GH release. I always see the same fools in the gym on the treadmill day in and day out, looking the same day in and day out, while I lift my ass off, get stronger and lose the bodyfat.
The biggest help cardio does is to burn calories in general, not specifically fat calories. You get on a treadmill for 30 mins you burn maybe 2-300 calories max. Not all of that will be fat anyways, however it will still help your caloric deficit. I find just being extra active during the day is just as good as cardio. Use the stairs instead of an elevator, walk the long way around your workplace, stand instead of sitting when possible, etc... You can burn the same amount of calories as you would have in your 30 min treadmill session but you'll burn it all day long so it won't necessarily cause muscle catabolism as badly.
If you really want to get a benefit out of cardio then don't do the low intensity crap. Do the HIIT type training and do sprints. At least studies have shown that this will boost metabolism for hours after your sprinting and will help boost natural GH release. I always see the same fools in the gym on the treadmill day in and day out, looking the same day in and day out, while I lift my ass off, get stronger and lose the bodyfat.
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I have to agree with Mr. G...ville as well. When I do high intensity short resting sets I drip sweat as if I was on a treadmill. I try to take no more then 30 seconds beetween sets and always try to dropset and superset as much as possible. I beleive if you dont build a good sweat weight training then you are not doing it properly. Most bodybuilders recommend doing 120-130(Heart Rate)low intensity cardio. I wouldnt be surprised if my heart rate measured well over 120 when I weight train. I think at this level you will get all the cardio you need whether you are natural or are on gear and will still be able to put your heart and soul into the iron. Im going to cut the cardio during my next cutting phase. Thank you for all your responses.
I have to agree with Mr. G...ville as well. When I do high intensity short resting sets I drip sweat as if I was on a treadmill. I try to take no more then 30 seconds beetween sets and always try to dropset and superset as much as possible. I beleive if you dont build a good sweat weight training then you are not doing it properly. Most bodybuilders recommend doing 120-130(Heart Rate)low intensity cardio. I wouldnt be surprised if my heart rate measured well over 120 when I weight train. I think at this level you will get all the cardio you need whether you are natural or are on gear and will still be able to put your heart and soul into the iron. Im going to cut the cardio during my next cutting phase. Thank you for all your responses.
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Originally posted by muscleup
are you kidding me....You think that doing 20-30 min of light cardio during bulking will hender your gains ???? Thats Funny....
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What's even funnier is thinking that 20-30 min of light cardio during a bulking cycle will actually help you not gain as much fat.
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Originally posted by muscleup
are you kidding me....You think that doing 20-30 min of light cardio during bulking will hender your gains ???? Thats Funny....
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What's even funnier is thinking that 20-30 min of light cardio during a bulking cycle will actually help you not gain as much fat.
OK, I see that alot of you guys take tidbits of info and turn it into a "fact based on your own conductive reasoning", so here's my answer....... When cutting I do cardio, but what I do for cardio is something very light, like taking a 30 minute walk or riding the stationary bike with little to no resistance for 30 minutes.
Oh ya, sure there are people who can get to their desired BF without cardio. There are people who can get to their desired BF without gear too. There are people who can get to their desired BF without trying, that's all in genetics. If your BF is high and you want to lower it, you need to burn calories. Now it's true, I am always telling fat boys that they'd burn more calories if they worked out, but I don't tell them to drop their cardio.
I'll just put this out there for you, if you don't want to do cardio because you are afraid of losing muscle, just do a hgh/test/winny/clen cycle and you'll be good to go. With a combo like that you can't go wrong. Try the injectable clen, it works better.
Oh ya, sure there are people who can get to their desired BF without cardio. There are people who can get to their desired BF without gear too. There are people who can get to their desired BF without trying, that's all in genetics. If your BF is high and you want to lower it, you need to burn calories. Now it's true, I am always telling fat boys that they'd burn more calories if they worked out, but I don't tell them to drop their cardio.
I'll just put this out there for you, if you don't want to do cardio because you are afraid of losing muscle, just do a hgh/test/winny/clen cycle and you'll be good to go. With a combo like that you can't go wrong. Try the injectable clen, it works better.
Are you telling me that these "fat boys" are doing cardio only and not working out? We all know that lifting weights and dieting is 100x better than dieting and cardio alone. They might as well say goodbye to any muscle mass they currently have as they aren't doing anything to preserve it.
I think the bottom line is that cardio or no cardio, you can get to a low bodyfat %. The key is just how you consider low. 10% is low bodyfat no matter how you cut it and that isn't so low that it's not achievable by the mass population. When you start speaking of 5-6% then you're in a whole new game. However I think the vast majority of people concerned about losing weight aren't shooting for a rediculously low bodyfat number like that so cardio is optional.
However if they're previous couch potatoes and it keeps them busy then so be it. If you live an active lifestyle then you'll burn all the calories you need to in everyday life. If you sit at your job all day long and come home and sit on your ass in the evening then maybe cardio isn't such a bad idea.
I think the bottom line is that cardio or no cardio, you can get to a low bodyfat %. The key is just how you consider low. 10% is low bodyfat no matter how you cut it and that isn't so low that it's not achievable by the mass population. When you start speaking of 5-6% then you're in a whole new game. However I think the vast majority of people concerned about losing weight aren't shooting for a rediculously low bodyfat number like that so cardio is optional.
However if they're previous couch potatoes and it keeps them busy then so be it. If you live an active lifestyle then you'll burn all the calories you need to in everyday life. If you sit at your job all day long and come home and sit on your ass in the evening then maybe cardio isn't such a bad idea.
