CKD diet & low thyroid

[JJFigure]

How long have you been dieting? You say you started CKD last week; had you been dieting before then? If so, you may need a break to get your metabolism jumpstarted before you go back into sub-maintenance kcals.

MS mentioned using ratios of 45% pro, 30% fat, 25% carbs as a means of dieting without significantly impacting metabolism.

BTW - I cut on a cyclical low carb diet and have never once hit ketosis. My diet works though; I just don't have to deal with the whole ketosis thing. I intake < 30 grams of carb on my low carb days, so I wouldn't be too worried about not having your ketosis stick change color. If you want to stick out the CKD approach a little longer.

 

[jnuts]

Dieting on and off for 3 months, not real strict until thae last week. I did compete last summer(Figure) and I dieted real hard and trained 6 days a week along w.sprinting 6 days a week. I think that extreme training and dieting really threw my met. off. Ever since then my body fat has gone way up, while maintaing a healthy diet and exercising4-5 days a week. I have been really tired and sluggish. Can't get thru the day w/out caffeine or ECA. My libido is low also, along w/dry skin.

 

[Ceebs]

I intake < 30 grams of carb on my low carb days, so I wouldn't be too worried about not having your ketosis stick change color.

Ditto ditto DITTO! Don't pay too much mind to what the sticks say. There's a million piddly little things that can cause a false positive, or false negative on ketostix, and even then, it's only a sign of ketonuria (ketones in pee), not ketonemia (ketones in blood).

You can buy all sorts of fancy gadgets to tell you what's going on internally when you diet (blood ketometer, blood glucometer, ketostix, jelly doughnuts, etc), but what matters most is whether you're dropping bodyfat. Unfortunately, you say you're not, but I suspect your thyroid is the culprit, not your lack of "measurable" ketosis.

Here's a post addressing the caffiene and ketosis question: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184183&highlight=coffee+insulin

 

[MS]

First and foremost find another doc. There is no legit reason why anyone should have to put up with less than optimal thyroid levels.

Second of all like JJ and ceebs said, don't fall for that ketosis hype. You will not lose any more fat by going into ketosis, but you will risk killing your thyroid even more, and worse rebound fat gain. The only advantage to ketosis is that it helps SOME (but not all) folks to curb appetite. I think a good high protein diet does this even better, and also prevents the metabolism from crashing. Of course if you are one of the millions of people who just plain prefer to eat a high fat diet, then keto may be the diet for you.

Have you had any of your other hormones checked?? Like estrogen, test, blood glucose/insulin, plus iron etc...?

 

[The Shadow]

Ditto ditto DITTO! Don't pay too much mind to what the sticks say. There's a million piddly little things that can cause a false positive, or false negative on ketostix, and even then, it's only a sign of ketonuria (ketones in pee), not ketonemia (ketones in blood).

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...the number 1 reason the stick do not change when IN ketosis is overactivity...

 

[jnuts]

MS- I had my test taken it was on the low side,test total 36. test free, 4 and testfree and weakly bound 8. Glucose low, 67. Insulin 3

Didn't get estrogen or iron done.

 

[wilson6]

Doctors that won't treat hypothyroidism or low testosterone levels until the symptoms become overtly clinical are irresponsible.

That would be like treating a Type I diabetic with prozac until they manifest all the negative physiologic sequela of hyperglycemia, then treat them with insulin.

W6

 

[jnuts]

I know, thats why I'm soo frustrated, him gave me Wellbutrin and thinks I'm depressed. He's fired, I'm currently looking for another doc. I learn alot on Elite from you all, Thanks

 

[NY Muscle]

Take it from me, all this thyroid hype and losing weight, 95% of the time is just that.. hype... im on t4 (Synthroid) and been on it for yrs... i havent lost any weight faster than I did when my thyroid was 'low" as everyone loves to say these days. Now it "might" help with the sensitivity to cold u may or may not have as well as hair loss and a few other symptoms of low thyroid but unless you are WAYYYYYYY low and not in the LOW RANGE, which im sorry to say IS NORMAL, then taking meds wont help much if at all. People need to stop putting the blame on the thyroid, that isnt the only factor in fat loss you know.

also you said " I have a hard time losing weight due to a recent diag. of low thyroid and low testosterone. " What does this mean? that u magically stopped losing weight once u found out u had a low thyroid? maybe you convinced yourself of this or are you saying u have had a hard time losing weight and then found out your thyroid levels are in the LOW RANGE of NORMAL ??


My father said it best, maybe about 8 yrs ago, I was going to dr after dr to finally find someone who would agree my t3/t4 or whatever levels were low and i couldnt lose weight... i convinced myself this was the problem... i was cold all the time all the symptoms of low thyroid... a lot of it was do to extreme weight loss way too fast.. i lost 80lbs at a rate of 6lbs a week so that messed up my system... but what he told me was "you are just going to keep searching and searching and searching for finally one Dr. who will prescribe you thyroid and tell you the 8 other Drs you saw were wrong" He was right... i mean come on how stupid was I or u aor anyone else with this same thinking... so u stop after u FINALLY find a dr. who agrees with u and disregard what the others say? HUGE MISTAKE... and thats EXACTLY what I did..... I ended up at the Atkins medical center in NYC, immediately they put my on time released t3 (Cytomel) guess what? I didnt lose a damn thing after 2 months and i gave up.... i rebounded and got fat REAL FASt....... i ended up trying the Atkins diet... and it actually took all the weight off and more.... I realized it wasnt my thyroid that was SLOW it was my fat ass that was slow... i didnt do enough cardio and my diet wasnt the best it could have been. ALso a HUGE factor for my slow metabolism was MUSCLE MASS... i added a LOT OF MUSCLE over the course of 1-2 years and that jacked my metabolism into high gear and made fat loss a lot easier.

I am on t4 now only becuase my Dr noticed on a routine blood work that it was low and he even thinks steroids in the long term could possibly lower t4.. so he put me on it... i dont really notice anything different.... the only thing that made a difference with me "finally" losing the weight was getting my diet in check and doing the right amount of cardio and of course adding a lot of muscle.


I say try the CKD/Atkins diet and see how it works for u.... the biggest problem with this diet is women... for some reason I think women are born with the notion that fat is BAD... and end up making it a low fat and low carb diet... HUGE mistake.... its a HIGH FAT DIET... so try it for 6 weeks or so and see how it goes. And dont forget the cardio and 3 days of cardio at 30 minutes sorry to say doesnt count

Oh and lastly.. the reason you are depressed is because you cant lose weight.. dont waste time with more useless drugs... attack the PROBLEM (lack of fat loss) not the symptom (depression).

 

[jnuts]

Thanks NY Muscle,
You're prob. right, maybe I need to take a closer look at what I'm eating, esp. night time carbs and not enough cardio. I've been on CKD a week on Fri. and already feel lighter, mostly h20 weight. Do u think some HIT workouts would speed things up?