Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below b fold-you said that you would "fall apart" if someone told you you had to train twice in one day, correct?No one is telling you you have to train twice in one day.If you don't want to train, you can quit and go be a potato farmer in Idaho if you want, but no one can tell you how to train.The gist of this post is basically to define the pros and cons of training twice in one day.It's asking the advice of those people that have given this type of training a fair trial.It's great that you have stated your opinion.I've read alot of your suggestions and advice on this board, and 99% of it(in my humble opinion) is right on.But, if you haven't tried this type of training, how can you justify speaking negatively about it?If you have tried it, then I would like to see the routine(exercises,sets,reps,frequency) you used.Like I've said.If done intelligently, there really shouldn't be any reason why this type of training wouldn't work.Of course, some failings of this training could derive from it being coupled with a job that requires alot of physical exertion, not enough nutrition, not enough recuperation,etc.But obviously, if those variables are involved, it wasn't an honest(or intelligent) effort.I'm not trying to implicate you personally, but you seem to have a strong opinion on this and I'd like to know if you have any solid evidence to support you're opinion.Is there some research you've come across to discredit this training format that has worked wonders for many athletes and lifters(not to mention myself, as I'm speaking from personal experience)?If so, I'd like to see it.I'll be the first to admit that I'm not an expert, and anything I can learn about physical development I consider valuable.Once again, nothing personal.You have my utmost respect.
Pro and cons for 2 workouts a day
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Thanks for keeping that reply a positive one without any personal attacks. My typing does not reflect my verbal undertones as well as the meanings behind my words. I am a very vocally expressive person and that can not be displayed through typing at all.
I have trained Westside to my best ability and I did find that the more I trained (sled and extras) the weaker I got. I also had problems with my joints, tendons, and recouperation. I would lift in the mornings and do extras and sled dragging at night when I got home from work. It just tore my body down.
I need rest both mentally and physically. My event training really tears my body down very hard. Just imagine playing an NFL football game with weights on Sunday, after doing deadlifts, then having to lift hard, drag the sled, do cardio, and do extras during the week. I just feel that if you are a large person (260 +) then your body will have problems recouperating from this type of lifting. If you have 400-500lbs on the flat bench and doing inclines, etc... in the morning workout and are trying to do rows with 405, dead 600 or so in the evening...you would be truly amazing if you had any energy left to train.
I believe that if you are doing pullovers, cable pressdowns, flyes, calves, lat pull downs, etc...then you should not have much problems. If your workout surrounds itself around doing bench press, squats, deadlifts, standing overhead presses, etc...then you will. I could not imagine doing deadlifts in the morning and then trying to do standing overhead presses in the evening. If I could effectively lift in the evening, then I did not train hard enough in the morning.
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I have trained Westside to my best ability and I did find that the more I trained (sled and extras) the weaker I got. I also had problems with my joints, tendons, and recouperation. I would lift in the mornings and do extras and sled dragging at night when I got home from work. It just tore my body down.
I need rest both mentally and physically. My event training really tears my body down very hard. Just imagine playing an NFL football game with weights on Sunday, after doing deadlifts, then having to lift hard, drag the sled, do cardio, and do extras during the week. I just feel that if you are a large person (260 +) then your body will have problems recouperating from this type of lifting. If you have 400-500lbs on the flat bench and doing inclines, etc... in the morning workout and are trying to do rows with 405, dead 600 or so in the evening...you would be truly amazing if you had any energy left to train.
I believe that if you are doing pullovers, cable pressdowns, flyes, calves, lat pull downs, etc...then you should not have much problems. If your workout surrounds itself around doing bench press, squats, deadlifts, standing overhead presses, etc...then you will. I could not imagine doing deadlifts in the morning and then trying to do standing overhead presses in the evening. If I could effectively lift in the evening, then I did not train hard enough in the morning.
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SSAlexSS
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Realgains said:
No. a knowledgebale and dedicated bodybuilder SHOULD TRAIN MORE OFTEN.
This dont overdo it train only once per week 1 set per muscle group was invented by fanatic Arthur Jones and mentzer.
It was in ARrthur interest to promite 1 set to failure idea, becasue he was paid.
I mean he really convinced people that 1 set will 'work'. Well it will work as in the sense that more people would use his nautilus equipment at faster rates = more gym people = more money.
Very few people have the dedication to go to the gym 6 days per week and do 15-30 sets per workout. So people look for excuses.
Arthur being a smart capitalist pig realised that and made cash! Becasue he promised better results with less effort.
BULL!
Your_Moms_Kneepads
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then this is sure fire way to end up making LESS gains. You need the time to grow.MrMuscle said:
Your_Moms_Kneepads
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You are an absolute fucking idiot. 6 days a week and 15-30 sets is pointless. You've overdosed on 1980's Flex and Muscle and Fitness training articles from Vince Taylor and John DeFendis.SSAlexSS said:
Just so you know its been proven that increasing the volume of work continually wont build any more muscle.
Your_Moms_Kneepads
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Are you off of your medications? All, and I mean all of your posts seem to be complete,contrived piles of shit that have no basis empirically or factually.SSAlexSS said:
Volume is NOT THE FUCKING WAY THE BODY ADAPTS BY BUILDING MORE MUSCLE. Now go away an die or something and stop polluting this board with utter horseshit!
Your_Moms_Kneepads
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I supppose yours is right up your ass...SSAlexSS said:
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Your_Moms_Kneepads said:
Dude you can judge a person minds by the criticise that comes of his mouth.
For size it IS VOLUME. Stop being body for lifer or some other every joes lifter! Do the research, ask neuro biologists.
MUSCLES GROW FROM WORK THEY DO! Not how much you strained from your first and only set! You need tension! One set doesnt give you enough tension!
No empirical knowledge? Everyone successful lifter does volume to be better!
99% of all pros use volume approach, and as you see - it works!
Sprinters who have big legs, they dont just do one sprint, the do many! OFTEN! and you cant argue with their progress!
3 sets is better than 1. It is been proven everywhere where HIT jedies havent distorted the truth yet.
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