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Is my split effective for MMA?

Ok bro, going by what you've said, if you're doing MMA as in all aspects of unarmed combat you'll need good strength for the wrestling aspect, speed and power for punching/kicking can also be improved with weight training as long as you lift explosively.

I think you could go worse than to try SL 5x5 it's a very basic strength and mass routine. Simple and effective.
What you do is train 3 times per week, work, rest, work, rest, work, rest, rest it doesn't matter which days specifically. You start with very light weights to condition the body into the type of training and prepare it for the heavier weights to come.

The split is
A
squat 5x5
Flat bench 5x5
Pendlay row 5x5

B
Squat 5x5
Overhead press 5x5
Deadlift 5x5

Increase the weight by 5lbs per exercise each workout except for deadlifts, increase them by 10lbs so they keep up with the squats.

What this will do is allow for some good hard intense martial arts training while the weights are still light as the weight increases the overlapping training days will become more noticeable and if you do get a problem from martial arts training just pause the 5x5 program for the exercises affected by the problem. Once you've done 12 weeks at the 5x5 take a week or two off lifting then deload all your weights by about 25% and start again. Your current workouts are too much for your goals IMO. No need for isolation if you're not bodybuilding rows build biceps and presses build triceps more than enough for your goals. If you try this start with just the bar on all leg lifts + OHP and just 80lbs for rows and bench. Judging by your current lifts if you start with these numbers and don't stall out for any reason during the 12 weeks you'll be squatting & deadlifting nearly 200lbs and benching about 180lbs. 20 & 10 lb increase respectively.

I train similarly to you, although I don't grapple, boxing Mondays kickboxing Thursdays, it takes me 3 days to recover from a leg workout so I alternate Thursdays and Fridays. One week I'll have sharp legs and kick everyone in the head the next week they'll be more sluggish because I've trained em that same day. I do chest or shoulders on Monday but it never gets in the way of my boxing training.

Let me know what you think. :)
 
Try SL 5x5 or any other proven routine...

Regardless of your technique and stamina, you're at a disadvantage against a bigger and stronger opponent.

Are you seriously competing and needing to maintain weight, or do you train as a hobby?
 
Ok bro, going by what you've said, if you're doing MMA as in all aspects of unarmed combat you'll need good strength for the wrestling aspect, speed and power for punching/kicking can also be improved with weight training as long as you lift explosively.

I think you could go worse than to try SL 5x5 it's a very basic strength and mass routine. Simple and effective.
What you do is train 3 times per week, work, rest, work, rest, work, rest, rest it doesn't matter which days specifically. You start with very light weights to condition the body into the type of training and prepare it for the heavier weights to come.

The split is
A
squat 5x5
Flat bench 5x5
Pendlay row 5x5

B
Squat 5x5
Overhead press 5x5
Deadlift 5x5

Increase the weight by 5lbs per exercise each workout except for deadlifts, increase them by 10lbs so they keep up with the squats.

What this will do is allow for some good hard intense martial arts training while the weights are still light as the weight increases the overlapping training days will become more noticeable and if you do get a problem from martial arts training just pause the 5x5 program for the exercises affected by the problem. Once you've done 12 weeks at the 5x5 take a week or two off lifting then deload all your weights by about 25% and start again. Your current workouts are too much for your goals IMO. No need for isolation if you're not bodybuilding rows build biceps and presses build triceps more than enough for your goals. If you try this start with just the bar on all leg lifts + OHP and just 80lbs for rows and bench. Judging by your current lifts if you start with these numbers and don't stall out for any reason during the 12 weeks you'll be squatting & deadlifting nearly 200lbs and benching about 180lbs. 20 & 10 lb increase respectively.

I train similarly to you, although I don't grapple, boxing Mondays kickboxing Thursdays, it takes me 3 days to recover from a leg workout so I alternate Thursdays and Fridays. One week I'll have sharp legs and kick everyone in the head the next week they'll be more sluggish because I've trained em that same day. I do chest or shoulders on Monday but it never gets in the way of my boxing training.

Let me know what you think. :)

Colstreamer

Thanks for getting back to me.

I have heard a lot about the 5x5 split, but never looked into it as I didn't thin there was enough exercises. But of course intensity is key to everything, so I think i'll take a stab at it :) didn't know about the loading + deloading phase. Sounds interesting and worth noting.

How would you suggest adding to my MMA routine? You said preform this routine 3 times a week E.G week 1 A, B, A week 2 B, A, B. So it would maybe look like this?

Mon: workout A
Tue: Mauy Thai
Wed: Karate
Thurs: Workout B
Friday: Off
Sat: Karate + Workout A
Sun: Off

Does that look ok?

On a side note: What would you do if you were put in a hold on Wednesday and injured you're rotary cuff (as an example), which meant you had to skip the workout B on thursday? Would you try and squeeze it in over the weekend somehow?

Also would this routine be enough for my next cycle?

My apologies for the many questions. This had been bugging me for a while now.

Appreciate all the feed back.

Freddie 45
 
Try SL 5x5 or any other proven routine...

Regardless of your technique and stamina, you're at a disadvantage against a bigger and stronger opponent.

Are you seriously competing and needing to maintain weight, or do you train as a hobby?

1weaver

I'm giving the SL 5x5 a seroius think.

Your right about the technique and stamina. All this time i've wanted to get heavier so I can handle my apponents better, yet, I never took into account if I move up in the weight catagory I'll be facing heavier and bigger apponents like you said. Think I will have to re-assess my goals.

For now I train as a hobby. I have my eye on a proffesional MMA gym with serious compitition that I plan on joining this year but sadley can't do it yet until finances are better. I want to gain good strength and power with lean mass added before I sign up to give myself that little head start
 
Looking into the MadCows SL 5x5 just now during lunch. This seems just like Colstreamer provided yet it adds in some isolation work on the last workout of the week. This really appeals to me as I do like my dips and curls. The volume is slightly greater (unless i've missed something) so I can imagine it would work better on cycle.

I've seen alot of great feedback when it comes to the 5x5. Many people report they get far better results after jumping from a split to the 5x5. Really looking forward to it now :)
 
Colstreamer

Thanks for getting back to me.

I have heard a lot about the 5x5 split, but never looked into it as I didn't thin there was enough exercises. But of course intensity is key to everything, so I think i'll take a stab at it :) didn't know about the loading + deloading phase. Sounds interesting and worth noting.

How would you suggest adding to my MMA routine? You said preform this routine 3 times a week E.G week 1 A, B, A week 2 B, A, B. So it would maybe look like this?

Mon: workout A
Tue: Mauy Thai
Wed: Karate
Thurs: Workout B
Friday: Off
Sat: Karate + Workout A
Sun: Off

Does that look ok?

On a side note: What would you do if you were put in a hold on Wednesday and injured you're rotary cuff (as an example), which meant you had to skip the workout B on thursday? Would you try and squeeze it in over the weekend somehow?

Also would this routine be enough for my next cycle?

My apologies for the many questions. This had been bugging me for a while now.

Appreciate all the feed back.

Freddie 45

A,B,A one week B,A,B the next and so on is bang on the money bro! Lol I shoulda mentioned that! Also it's only 1 set of deadlifts not 5 as I put (oops!)

I think the way you've laid it out looks good bro. Regarding what to do if you injure yourself I'd just skip the exercise that aggravates the injury, so in your example sack the OHP and just do the squats and deads for that day. Pick up where you left off on OHP the following B workout. That way you give the affected area/muscle plenty of time to recover. Remember you're doing plenty with your upper and lower body in your MMA classes.

As far as using AAS I gotta say it'll effect you martial arts training, especially if you use something that gives big ole back pumps, can't really recommend anything for a cycle if you're doing martial arts as well as lifting. Personally I don't think you'll need any juice as you'll be starting of very light, maybe consider it for the second 12 phase? Besides, as discussed before, you really don't wanna be going up a weight class, natural heavyweights are taller than someone who has bulked up with muscle. Look at Evander Holyfield compared with Lennox Lewis, one a puffed up cruiser weight and one naturally gigantic. Size and reach DO matter! Lol!

Also bro you'll need to give your age if you want steroid advice, there are rules against advising anyone under 21, besides if you're young you really won't need any gear.


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A,B,A one week B,A,B the next and so on is bang on the money bro! Lol I shoulda mentioned that! Also it's only 1 set of deadlifts not 5 as I put (oops!)

I think the way you've laid it out looks good bro. Regarding what to do if you injure yourself I'd just skip the exercise that aggravates the injury, so in your example sack the OHP and just do the squats and deads for that day. Pick up where you left off on OHP the following B workout. That way you give the affected area/muscle plenty of time to recover. Remember you're doing plenty with your upper and lower body in your MMA classes.

As far as using AAS I gotta say it'll effect you martial arts training, especially if you use something that gives big ole back pumps, can't really recommend anything for a cycle if you're doing martial arts as well as lifting. Personally I don't think you'll need any juice as you'll be starting of very light, maybe consider it for the second 12 phase? Besides, as discussed before, you really don't wanna be going up a weight class, natural heavyweights are taller than someone who has bulked up with muscle. Look at Evander Holyfield compared with Lennox Lewis, one a puffed up cruiser weight and one naturally gigantic. Size and reach DO matter! Lol!

Also bro you'll need to give your age if you want steroid advice, there are rules against advising anyone under 21, besides if you're young you really won't need any gear.


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Defeat is the stepping stone to victory.

Bah!

Sorry I thought I had mentioned that in my stats.

I'm 25 years young. 1 previous cycle few years back that I regret. I think it was Dbol only 40mg a day, with no PCT. Yup no PCT!!!! Idiotic I know. I did the cycle with my mate trusting he knew what he was doing. I gained a good bit of weight and strength, but then lost it all post cycle. I can easily say I've learned from my mistakes. Ever since then I've been researching on gear that appeals to me most with MMA in mind.

Anavar, test and Tbol are the main ones I look into. I like the increased collegen synthesis, strength and vascular from var. I think it would be a good choice for MMA as your joints do take a pounding. Running this with a low dose of test keeps libido in check as var can be somewhat suppresive. I've heard Tbol is similar to var and dbol but without the bloat. Not sure if it increases collegen, still trying to find that out.


Thanks again for the training tips mate. Can't wait to give it a bash!
 
Bah!

Sorry I thought I had mentioned that in my stats.

I'm 25 years young. 1 previous cycle few years back that I regret. I think it was Dbol only 40mg a day, with no PCT. Yup no PCT!!!! Idiotic I know. I did the cycle with my mate trusting he knew what he was doing. I gained a good bit of weight and strength, but then lost it all post cycle. I can easily say I've learned from my mistakes. Ever since then I've been researching on gear that appeals to me most with MMA in mind.

Anavar, test and Tbol are the main ones I look into. I like the increased collegen synthesis, strength and vascular from var. I think it would be a good choice for MMA as your joints do take a pounding. Running this with a low dose of test keeps libido in check as var can be somewhat suppresive. I've heard Tbol is similar to var and dbol but without the bloat. Not sure if it increases collegen, still trying to find that out.


Thanks again for the training tips mate. Can't wait to give it a bash!


Seriously glad you're gonna give the 5x5 a go :)

What's your diet like mate? (could you give an example of a typical day's meals?) You really need to get that sorted well before you start a cycle. :RADAR

Personally I don't think you need any AAS just yet, at 25 I was an unstoppable whirlwind, all natural, but if you're set on it do it right, keep researching the roids, PCT and cycle support, then when you think you've got your cycle planned start a thread in the Steroid forum so other people can critique your cycle and give advice or tweaks to the plan. :eyes:

I'm 33, started lifting at 14 (didn't lift from 19-24), started martial arts at 16 and I'm planning my first cycle for june or july.... Please don't think I'm lecturing you or being patronising this is just my opinion. :good:

Whatever you do mate, it'd be great if you started a log of your training in the joutnals section, there are some great people in there (including me! lol) and you'll get plenty of tips and advice plus I'd love to follow your log. :dance2:
 
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