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First Cycle, Test cyp and Dbol, need opinions

Only 4 weeks of the dianabol will be enough to kick for a slow ester like cyp?
and as for pct, i should start the hcg during the last 2 weeks of the test? how would i do the dosing days if im shooting the test on mondays and thurs?

You can run dbol for 6 weeks at most but for a first run its wise to only go 4. The cypionate is in your system from day one, but it wont reach full blood levels till about 5 weeks or so. If you want to add that extra week you can, but its not necessary. Your test levels will be through the roof at 4 weeks. The hcg time line is frequently debated, from my experience its best to run it near the end of the cycle through the first week of pct. I would take it on mon, and thursday since thats the day your pinning the test. It will be easier to remember. But if you wanna take it sun, wed or tue, fri its up to you. Its a sub q injection,so it wont affect your im injection rotation. The hcg will make the transition to pct a little smoother. Believe me it sucks going from feeling like superman to feeling like shit. Thats why pct is so important. It makes the process quicker and easier.

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I disagree with so much of the OP's post and so much what has been offered as advice, I don't know where to start.

Instead, just read this:http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...apy/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html

I read this several times just to make sure I wasnt misreading it. Your suggesting that someone run aromasin, forma, and possibly adex all during pct? I agree with the hcg or hmg, and if your wanting to be cautious the hcgenerate during cycle. I am also a firm believer in post cycle and unleashed. But why proviron, It has great benefits on cycle, but it can be suppresive, so why use it in pct? I agree that nolva is a waste, but I have had success with clomid in low doses.

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I read this several times just to make sure I wasnt misreading it. Your suggesting that someone run aromasin, forma, and possibly adex all during pct? I agree with the hcg or hmg, and if your wanting to be cautious the hcgenerate during cycle. I am also a firm believer in post cycle and unleashed. But why proviron, It has great benefits on cycle, but it can be suppresive, so why use it in pct? I agree that nolva is a waste, but I have had success with clomid in low doses.

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Proviron can be run for a short time to extend the anti e, muscle hardening effects and libido without suppressing if kept to a week or so. UNLEASHED works similarly without the suppression.

I never said you needed aromasin AND a-dex AND forma. One or the other.
 
Proviron can be run for a short time to extend the anti e, muscle hardening effects and libido without suppressing if kept to a week or so. UNLEASHED works similarly without the suppression.

I never said you needed aromasin AND a-dex AND forma. One or the other.

The way its listed in the steps made it look like you were suggesting all three. Im going to give the proviron a shot. So basically you run it during the first week of pct, or from the end of cycle through the first week?

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The way its listed in the steps made it look like you were suggesting all three. Im going to give the proviron a shot. So basically you run it during the first week of pct, or from the end of cycle through the first week?

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Unleashed can give you the same restored libido and drive without supressing you. Proviron is great on cycle, but in pct I would run unleashed in its place.

Hcgenerate also helps the transition to pct, so if the OP cant get hcg, then hcgenerate is a proven alternative.

making the move into pct should be a smooth process, you shouldnt notice alot of difference. It's 2012....the days of crashing and feeling like your life is over after a cycle should be long gone, but people insist on tamoxifen....i dont get it

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I appreciate ALL of this information men! This is great stuff im learning. Nelson, id like to congratulate you and thank you for such a detailed article. So now my questions will start haha

So of you dont mind nelson, can you give me a week to week on how i should run the PCT?

ill be doing 12 weeks of test cyp if you havent already read, so when would i start using the HCGenerate/unleashed/aromasin/adex?

you guys are a HUGE help so far so again id llike to thank you all
 
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