End of 2nd Cycle - Having technical difficulties

[therugger]

You can still cutt very effectively on any 1 of those steroids. For the most part all the cutter does is allow you to maintain muscle and even gain a little while in a calorie defecit. Keep anyone of those drop the cals down and you'll be just fine, no muscle waisting.

 

[GrownUp]

I'm not, should I, I thought Proviron would be enough, I did think about taking nolvadex 10 mg ED for about a week to bring the water down, is just the water isn't that bad vs. the fact that I didn't get any other symptoms estrogen-related, but could you elaborate perhaps, as on why maybe I should do the liquidex?? Thanks for the reply, btw, more help would be appreciated on this stack I picked exiting the cycle for cutting purposes, as in would you do it if you had the chance.

 

[d_rson]

The idea then is not to throw that much stuff in at the end if you just want to drop the water and cut a little.

The proviron is probably losing it's edge. I've read that it wears off that long of a cycle and you have to up the dose. I'd switch anti-e's to aromasin (adex works but adex will also give you an estrogen rebound here at the end that will be tough to control in PCT). I'd run aromasin personally. Nolvadex won't really shed the water.

Cutting is mostly diet related. I'd almost be inclinded to say drop the test down a little (like maybe 300/wk) and the proviron might be able to kick back in at being an anti-e (or if not, run some aromasin), run the anavar all the way to PCT (which would be 1-2 weeks past last Test e pin), cut your calories, cut your carbs to help with the bloat, and plan out a really good PCT to keep your gains.

 

[joe d]

Hey bros!

I'll start with stats before and now, I am on a 12 week cycle on week 9 tomorrow:

I've been lifting since I was 16, seriously for 6 years, I'm 31 now, but hit a wall and wanted to get past it, blah, blah, blah, yeah, so I started AAS at the beginning of last year (very light 8 week testosterone cycle) waited 6 months and started this cycle, I am 6'2'' tall and was 210 lbs before cycle (low BF) and 235 lbs now (not so low BF but not bad)!!

Cycle:
1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500 mg W (Poke on Monday, Poke on Thursday)
1-4 Dianabol 30 mg ED
1-12 Proviron 100 mg ED
9-12 Winstrol Depot 50 mg ED stop this
9-12 Trenbolone Acetate 100 mg EOD stop this
9-12 Oxandrolone/Anavar 50 mg ED (30mg in the AM, 20mg in the PM)

No estrogen side effects, very light shoulder/chest/arms acne, no mood swings (all in all, very little to no side effects up until now WEEK 9)

Clomid, Nolvadex, HCG PCT ------ Got it!

I'm taking Animal Pak ED, Muscle Milk - 2 protein shakes ED with 40 g + of Protein each, L-Glutamine 1000mg ED, Fish Oil/Flaxseed Oil, Vitamin B, About a 1000mg of Milk Thistle day, Vitamin C, tons of water, diet was pretty high until week 8 (4000 calories - carbs and protein all day, no carbs for dinner, some sweets every once in a while, my wife is awesome in the kitchen!), but I lowered it because I felt like I was gaining too much and started to get a little bit of belly fat, + water is pretty high!! My strength has skyrocketed from 275 bench to 350 now (8 reps) all this on the first 4-5 weeks, but strength has gone up dramatically all around. My diet now is around 3000 calories a day and with some abs, is all bueno now, soooo,

I started the Tren/Winny and Oxandrolone in this order:

Oxandrolone - Last Thursday End of week 8
Trenbolone - Last Friday End of week 8 (Left Quad)
Winstrol Depot (Yes, Injectable) Last Friday End of week 8 (Right Quad)

The same night I started Tren and Winni, oh boy, I got all types of shit wrong with me, I developed this cough and cold like symptoms like 4 hours after the shots which was bedtime, then this night sweats started and insomnia, damn and then, yeah, right what else could go wrong, I got C R A M P S, my lower abdomen was killing me!! All night, I took some NY Quil and I was able to sleep afterwards but, the symptoms were and are still there today Sunday, under control sorta, abdominal pain is gone but, I feel like I'm getting sicker my throat is on fire, I'm blowing my nose every 5 minutes so I started taking medicine regularly, feeling like is in control but I'm afraid I'm going to be losing strength or that this is going to get out of hand, right when the sweetest part of the cycle was coming in: Cutting!! Anybody know if there's anything I could do?? I'm in South America and can get pretty much any type of medicine in the pharmacy without a prescription, does anybody know of anything that can help me, or something I could do!! I don't wanna have to go into PCT early, HELP!!

dont take meds just take it easy, use some cough drops, and ride it out.

you are going to kill yourself with all that shit at the end of the cycle.

 

[glennds]

And that's A LOT of gear for a 2nd cycle...
~EZ

thats an understatement. this is your 2nd cycle and you are taking THAT much AAS? you dont have the experience to know what works best for you yet. you must be doing well financially to afford all that gear .

 

[GrownUp]

Right you are, I am dropping the trenbolone alltogether, keeping the winni and anavar, cutting down on the test as well to 300mg like d_rson suggested, I feel that I did make a mistake on putting all that together, I just wanted this cycle to work out nicely at the end, but I have to admit I did go a little bit overboard, thanks for the wake up, guys, does anybody think I should perhaps drop the winni as well, if I drop the test to 300mg's?? Be honest please... Any comments are appreciated.

 

[joe d]

Right you are, I am dropping the trenbolone alltogether, keeping the winni and anavar, cutting down on the test as well to 300mg like d_rson suggested, I feel that I did make a mistake on putting all that together, I just wanted this cycle to work out nicely at the end, but I have to admit I did go a little bit overboard, thanks for the wake up, guys, does anybody think I should perhaps drop the winni as well, if I drop the test to 300mg's?? Be honest please... Any comments are appreciated.

the winni and var is to much. drop the winni.

 

[GrownUp]

Okay drop the winni and keep the test at the current 500wk, would that be okay?? Hey, I truly appreciate the advice guys, joe_d thanks bro!!

 

[therugger]

keep test at 500 and keeping the var would be perfect.

 

[GrownUp]

keep test at 500 and keeping the var would be perfect.

Thanks tr, I thought that would be advisable as well, but hell, what do I know, based on my poor overboard decision!! I'm not as eager to try it all anymore, gonna take it easy and do my best, is just I have such wonderful access to AAS here in South America, I just wanted to try and see, but I think I'll be patient from now on and see what happens for my 3rd cycle.