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does skim milk have any place in a strict diet?
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juggy54 said:
I cut milk dude - it causes bloat as all thecarbs sugars. use it if your not concerned about cutting, otherwise drop it
Milk elicits a high insulin response. Its sugars are 1/2 glucose; 1/2 galactose. Altough the latter is first processed by the liver, it is able to enter the glucose/muscle pathway. Therefore, the milk sugars are preferable to fruit and vegetable sugars, which are predominantly fructose and sucrose respectively.
The proteins are of the highest quality (with eggs) and it contains useful insulin growth factors, and the calcium assists in fat loss.
Given this milk is a double edge sword - it is good pre/post workout, but should be avoided at other times b/c of its insulin effect.
Curiously, Layne Norton consumes like a litre pre-bed - so much for insulin blunting GH
The proteins are of the highest quality (with eggs) and it contains useful insulin growth factors, and the calcium assists in fat loss.
Given this milk is a double edge sword - it is good pre/post workout, but should be avoided at other times b/c of its insulin effect.
Curiously, Layne Norton consumes like a litre pre-bed - so much for insulin blunting GH
Tatyana
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I think milk has gotten a bad rap in BBing, one of those 'internet myths'.
Yes milk is insulinogenic, but if your bodyfat to muscle ratio is good, meaning you have more muscle, insulin is awesome, it is one of the most anabolic hormones in the body.
Low bodyfat means that it is going to drive more nutrients into muscle, not fat.
I also recently saw a paper that stated that milk triggers IGF-1 release.
I grow like a weed when dairy is in my diet.
Yes milk is insulinogenic, but if your bodyfat to muscle ratio is good, meaning you have more muscle, insulin is awesome, it is one of the most anabolic hormones in the body.
Low bodyfat means that it is going to drive more nutrients into muscle, not fat.
I also recently saw a paper that stated that milk triggers IGF-1 release.
I grow like a weed when dairy is in my diet.
there is some decent evidense that the histidine that is in milk is not actually a 'dead' amino after all, but triggers a rapid teeter-totter turn to glucogon upregulation... a VERY good thing for accessing lipids as energy. I know a bunch of nasty food nerds that do a small activia yogurt prior to killing it specifically to get the quick insulin pop from the milk sugars AND to send that spike over the dam with the glucogon uptick.
Now, skim milk? why? WHOLE MILK and whole milk products. Dont fear the fat, mon, embrace it.
Now, skim milk? why? WHOLE MILK and whole milk products. Dont fear the fat, mon, embrace it.
Well there are studies showing that milk greatly increases fat oxidiation, beyond the effects of calcium.
I always assumed this was possibly because of casein protein, which for some one who diets by just 3 meals per day (which presumably was the case for the individuals in the study), casein's long lasting anti-catabolic effect would mean greater retention of LBM for "normal 3 meal per day" dieters, but this would be not significant for 5-6 meal per day bodybuilding diets.
But interesting study! Thanks!
I always assumed this was possibly because of casein protein, which for some one who diets by just 3 meals per day (which presumably was the case for the individuals in the study), casein's long lasting anti-catabolic effect would mean greater retention of LBM for "normal 3 meal per day" dieters, but this would be not significant for 5-6 meal per day bodybuilding diets.
But interesting study! Thanks!
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