Calories for Bulking

[hehateme000]

i thought i would just give u guys my sample meal plan that is about 6000 calories.....

Morning: 4 cups milk
2 scoops ON serious mass
2.5 tbsp flaxseed

Calories: 1,900 (!)

Pre W/O: Gatorade (just to have carbs in me because im still full from the morning shake haha)

Calories: 125

Post W/O: 2 pieces whole wheat bread
Protein bar
Banana
Gatorade

Calories: 715

Brunch: 1/2 bag of Salted Peanuts

Calories: 415

Afternoon: 3 Scoops Big Blast Super Plasma Protein Mix
2 cups milk
2 servings carrots

Calories: 780

Dinner: Broccoli
Beef Tri-tip Pot roast (some company named Hormell)
Mashed Potatoes
2 cups milk

Calories: 1,070

Late Night: 4 pieces whole grain white bread
Broccoli (10 stems)
Other 1/2 bag peanuts
V8 100% juice drink

Calories: 985

Thats 5,990 Calories along with animal pak vitamins, milk thistle, cranberry extract, flax seed, UNLEASHED, VIGOR, DEFINITION, and some formadrol extreme im taking just because i got it for free, how would u say this diet is??? i know this isnt probably in the right forum but so many people are asking what steroid gives the most mass, and my answer is CLEAN FOOD, but a LOT of it!!!

***The only thing that kinda gets me is how many shakes i take, but im in school taking 21 units and working 32 hours a week, so i dont have time to do anything else. And i dont know how to cook haha ... And yes breakfast sometimes is a HUGE bowl of cereal or eggs with sausage bread milk and potatoes, but this is the most convenient for me..

 

[Trendsetter21]

It's definitely a great mass plan. I think you did really good job planning it. Are you going to eat the same thing everyday or alternate stuff? I know I can't eat the same thing everyday cuz I get sick of it. Also I'd like to say make sure you aren't taking a ton of pills with your diet to. It can have adverse effects on your liver. If you've ever seen the show 30 days when the guy goes on the hrt program even his trainer tells him the reason his liver on the test they did wasn't looking too good was because of all the excess pills he was taking. (Guy had like 50 pills a day of supplements or something like that)

 

[hehateme000]

thx trend again ur always quick to reply....wait about the pills....i probably take around 30 a day but its formadrol extreme (2), DEFINITION (6), VIGOR (4), UNLEASHED (6), ANIMAL PAK (22 LOL), AND SOME NO PREWORKOUT (2). Thats 42 a day (20 without the animal pak since those are real vitamins ya know...) do u think this is a problem???

 

[hehateme000]

oh and no like i said ill switch the breakfast around if i get up in time haha, or if im out ill go to dinner with friends or my gf but ill always order meat with lots of others like potatoes, rice, veggies, milk just for the extra protein and calories, but yea i switch it up definetly...i just wonder if i did that everyday for 16 weeks with

week 1-12 = test e 500mg EW
wek 1-15 = EQ 600mg EW
week 1-4 = dbol 50mg ED
week 16-20 = clomid 50mg ED
week 17-20 = derma sus 5 pumps ED
weeks 16-20 = nolva 20mg ED

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Trendsetter21]

I know a lot of people will say include hcg if you can.

 

[hehateme000]

oh well yea of course 250iu 2x a week every monday and thursday probably from week 3 to week 15 haha...i was just saying that the gains would be incredible.....with all that food and all those schedule III drugs

 

[advanced-stealth]

Very good mass diet.

 

[the_alcatraz]

It's an excellent mass diet, but I'd include some more chicken / pasta for variation

 

[xrsist]

no eggs, no chicken, no oatmeal, no fish, fuck all vegies and fruit... doesnt sound to good to me.. whole foods are what you want. anyone can take in 6000 cals a day using shakes..

 

[Nelson Montana]

Very detailed and commited but I'd make a few changes.

More oil. The more the better.

Definitely add more chicken, fish and especially eggs.

You don't need the DEFINITION right now. Let the water build up and save it for when you want to lean out. None of the pills will hurt you or tax the liver.

Go with DX7 instead of Animal Pak.

Peanuts are an incomplete protein -- fine for throughout the day dfoe extra calories but at night, I'd add some other protein source -- some milk and some aminos would be fine. Or another shake.

Good luck bro.

 

[Faizakafez]

What are you stats?

6000kcals is not really a mass plan imo maybe a fat plan but not mass

 

[iceman7]

- Since you work out in the morning, I'd leave the flaxseed for later in the day. Not with your big breakfast shake. I'd get some fruit there instead.

- Pre workout, Gatorade isn't exactly the finest carb choice. Eat something whole an hour before your workout. Like a baked sweet potato.

- Post workout, I'd skip the protein bar and have a shake instead. 50 gms of whey and maltodextrin. You need something fast acting. Bars take a lot longer to digest than a shake.

- Peanuts for Brunch? Have a nice whole meal an hour and a half after your workout. Some chicken breast or beef, green veggies and brown rice for example.

- I'd avoid the milk in your afternoon shake. Add some olive oil or flaxseeds to your shake now.

- Hormell Beef tips for dinner? Bad choice again. Eat a good cut of lean meat instead with veggies and an olive oil dressing or something. Oily fish would be a good choice as well. Again forget the milk.

- Late night bread = hours and hours on the treadmill when you're tyring to cut. Forget the carbs in your last meal. And substitute peanuts with almonds and walnuts instead. Skip the V8 as well. Eat some cottage cheese, nuts and an apple.


The problem with your diet is that you'll bulk up... but not qith quality muscle. You'll have a ton of fat to shed later on. Eat as many whole foods you can. Forget about the calories. You can eat candy and take the calorie count to 10,000 but thats useless.

Anyway, heres a modification of your diet which I think will do you a lot of good.


Meal 1 - Milk, Oats, 2 Scoops of mass gainer, fruit.

- WORKOUT - (eat some stachy carb at least 30 mins before)

Meal 2 - (Post workout) 2-3 scoops whey, 50 gms Maltodextrin, 2 slices of white bread, banana.

Meal 3 - (Lunch) Chicken breast, oats, steamed veggies.

Meal 4 - MRP shake, fruit.

Meal 5 - (Snack) Nuts

Meal 6 - (Dinner) Veggies and olive oil, Steak/Fish

Meal 7 - Cottage cheese, almonds, apple.

Good luck.

 

[jumpmaster82]

very good diet, looks you put in alot of effort planning it. But my only thing is this, it is very easy to stay on the perfect diet and routine Mon-fri. But most ppl run into trouble on the diet when it comes to weekends, I know I do. Just throwing it out there so try to adjust for that if you need to.

 

[corto]

good diet plan I would definately add more chicken, fish, brown rice, oats, red meat etc. just add some of those foods to what you currently have laid out and youll be fine. Im not a fan of gatorade preworkout but if it gives you enegry go with it i guess.

 

[hehateme000]

im 5'10", 23 y/o idk about body fat but im 183-185 lbs. ive been training and workin out since freshman year football all the way through till now. i just havent been eating the best and now im tryin to get some mass before i might get on some gear...but that wont be for like another year. ok so heres my revised meal plan after reading all the replies thank you guys!!!

*****And again, i know i should be eating more chicken and eggs, and when i have the chance to i will make myself a big breakfast but since im limited on time i need more shakes....jus lettin all of u know

Morning: 4 cups milk
2 scoops ON serious mass

OR
3 eggs
2 pieces toast
3 cups milk
fruit

Calories: 1,810 (!) or 860

Pre W/O: Gatorade (just to have carbs in me because im still full from the morning shake haha)

Calories: 125

Post W/O: 3 Scoops Big Blast Super Plasma Protein Mix
2.5 tbsp flaxseed
2 cups milk
Banana
Gatorade

Calories: 950

Brunch: chicken strips
vegetable plate
1/2 bag peanuts OR Almonds
V8 drink (i like this drink because its 100% juice with fruits and veggies)

Calories: 900

Afternoon: 2 pieces whole wheat bread
Protein bar
2 servings carrots
other 1/2 bag of peanuts


Calories: 1015

Dinner: Broccoli
Beef Tri-tip Pot roast or Fish and Chicken
Mashed Potatoes or Brown rice
2 cups milk

Calories: 1,070

Late Night: 4 pieces whole grain white bread
Broccoli (10 stems)
2 cups milk
V8 100% juice drink OR piece of fruit

Calories: 860

And ill take some fish oil, DX7 or Animal Pak (ive always like animal pak nelson but ill look at the DX7 idk anything about it), and my other supps like UNLEASHED, VIGOR, and laetrile (vitamin b-17, my moms husband that died before i was born was a doctor that gave people laetrile instead of kemo and he got thrown in jail numerous times by the government and he got fined millions because the government wants kemo to stay---kinda sad ) Anyway, hows the revision??

 

[Faizakafez]

your calories are 6730 approx

at 180lbs... you do know this a recipe for getting fat right? eat according to your lbm or desired lbm within reason... 7000 cals is not needed

 

[khemix]

your calories are 6730 approx

at 180lbs... you do know this a recipe for getting fat right? eat according to your lbm or desired lbm within reason... 7000 cals is not needed

I know that when I'm around 180-200lbs and i'm eating 5-6k cals...i dont worry about putting any kinda bodyfat on at all. Only water. With my kind of metabolism, I havn't a worry of putting on any fat. I assume hehateme is either like me, or prefers to bulk in the winter, and cut in the summer.

Its much better for your body and health for you to bulk cleanly is all were saying here.

 

[hehateme000]

i understand that it might be a little too much, but im gonna be doing this until i can take a cycle...i want to learn good habits now and i want to see them get maximized and put me over the edge when i start gear. Khemix, thats true it is practically impossible for me to put fat on, but even if i do, id rather start there and include cardio on my cycle. i want to get as strong and big as i can, and if i DO get a little fat on me, it wont be a problem at all to lose it. Especially with gear.

 

[jacshelb]

I don't know why someone would pick on this diet too much. I'm sure you'll adjust things if needed. Good luck and keep us updated on how it goes!


Jacob

 

[hehateme000]

hahaha THANK YOU jac!

 

[nzrodney]

Your revised diet is much more complex incorporating more dense protein sources which are far superior to shakes etc. It is NOT too many calories nor are they too dirty. Bit fatty but thats ok for bulking. I would suggest that you are a little light on carbs & most are at the end of the day. Try to reverse this & get in oatmeal & cereals for start of day. Stack looks gtg. Nice all round mass gainer plan.

 

[hehateme000]

definetly .....day by day i will switch some things around and make sure i get the energy (carbs) more in the day, thanks for all the replies.....and just to ask everybody if i ever did this diet with a bulking cycle of

week 1-12 = test e 500mg EW
week 1-4 = dbol 50mg ED
week 1-15 = EQ 600mg EW
week 3-15 = hcg 250iu 2x EW (Mon/Thur)

week 16-20 = clomid 100mg/50mg/50mg/50mg/50mg ED
week 16-20 = nolva 40mg/40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg ED

train hard, get enough sleep, and stick to this diet, around how much weight do you think i will gain total with fat water and muscle????

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, I have the same opinion as some of the other bro's here.... the first diet plan is horrible....the second one is better, but could still be improved.

First, those weight gainers are CRAP... the worst kind of empty calories, I don't care if you are trying to bulk up! You said you want CLEAN food... that's not it! You want dense calories, go with healthy fats: raw almonds, ANPB (stay away from processed, salted nuts!), avocado, fish oil, olive oil, flax oil.

Second, those pre-packaged meals (Hormel or any other kind) are FULL of sodium and preservatives... horrible. Do yourself a favor... I understand not having time as a student and all... not sure if you have access to a kitchen (if you don't, get a Foreman Grill, trust me, it's worth it).... get those huge packs of chicken breasts (save money that way), cook up a whole bunch of those breasts Sunday night and just pack them in ziplocs... you can use those bottled marinades for flavor if you want).

I would sub out the mashed potatoes and have either brown rice or sweet potatoes for dinner.

Not sure why you're eating vegetables and simple carbs right before bed. Your best bet is to have a casein protein shake... casein breaks down slowly and provides a nice steady stream of nutrients while you sleep. For added calories and to slow down digestion even more, add olive or flax or fish oil.... and have a few scoops of all-natural peanut butter. As an alternative to casein powder, have a tub of cottage cheese.

Just because you want to bulk and put on calories, doesn't mean you have to eat CRAP. Whole foods should be your basis, complex carbs and healthy fats will give you the extra calories you want. Use protein powders as a supplement and for their convenience.

Good luck!

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

NEED:

FATS: Almonds, Flax Oil, Natural Peanut Butter, Almond Butter, Egg Yolks,
Avacado.

CARBS: Oatmeal, Sweet Potatos, Brown Rice, White Potatoes.

PROTEIN: Lean Beef (packs on mass), chicken, eggs, salmon, tuna, cottage
cheese.

MISC: fresh fruit, green veggies and the weekly cheat meal(s)


Train hard, sleep 8+ hours a night and you will grow.

 

[khemix]

Lots of great diet tips here guys. I've picked up a bit of knowledge in this thread. I'm a hardgainer so all this detailed bulking info is great. Thanks everybody . Keep it comin'!

 

[hehateme000]

thx for all the replies...i also have learned a bunch of stuff in this thread...

muscle guy--the weight gainer shakes are only because i never have time in the morning. but ur right about before bed, I'll switch the simple carbs and have peanut butter and a casein shake with some flax seed... Also is it ok to get the fish oil in cap form?? Oh and that chicken idea is good that will save time for me to just cook up a BUNCH of them for the damn week haha thanks agaiun everyone for the replies can someone answer the steroid part HAHA

 

[khemix]

Thats a pretty broad question. I don't know your training history nor your body type etc. If this is your first cycle...I'd take out the EQ. Test and Dbol will do you perfect. My first cycle was:

Test E@ 500mg/wk 1-10wks
Dbol @ 25mg/ed 1-3wks

I gained over 30lbs! I kept roughly 22-25lbs of it too! I gained a bit of water, so I would watch for that. I was also on a pretty solid bulking diet.

You'll do fine bro.

Chris

definetly .....day by day i will switch some things around and make sure i get the energy (carbs) more in the day, thanks for all the replies.....and just to ask everybody if i ever did this diet with a bulking cycle of

week 1-12 = testosterone enanthate 500mg EW
week 1-4 = Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 50mg ED
week 1-15 = Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - 600mg EW
week 3-15 = HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250iu 2x EW (Mon/Thur)

week 16-20 = clomid 100mg/50mg/50mg/50mg/50mg ED
week 16-20 = Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40mg/40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg ED

train hard, get enough sleep, and stick to this diet, around how much weight do you think i will gain total with fat water and muscle????

 

[njmuscleguy]

definetly .....day by day i will switch some things around and make sure i get the energy (carbs) more in the day, thanks for all the replies.....and just to ask everybody if i ever did this diet with a bulking cycle of

week 1-12 = testosterone enanthate 500mg EW
week 1-4 = Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 50mg ED
week 1-15 = Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - 600mg EW
week 3-15 = HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250iu 2x EW (Mon/Thur)

week 16-20 = clomid 100mg/50mg/50mg/50mg/50mg ED
week 16-20 = Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40mg/40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg ED

train hard, get enough sleep, and stick to this diet, around how much weight do you think i will gain total with fat water and muscle????

Run the E Q for that long, but run your test for 2 weeks longer... this way the esters in both start to clear around the same time. You're good to go with everything else in the cycle.

As for P C T, choose one or the other... I personally hate both, but if I had to recommend one, I'd go with the clomid... start that 2 weeks after your last test shot... don't frontload, just go with 50mg ED for 4-6 weeks.

Oh, and don't forget to run an A I with your cycle.

 

[chestrockwell420]

nice and thought out. i would try and get more protein from solid foods, chicken,tuna,egg whites,etc.good luck

 

[hehateme000]

alright for sure so ill run the test for 14 weeks, i want to get as big as i can but should i still use an AI...i have aromasin but idk if i want to use it haha...i think ill just run the clomid then if thats enough for PCT, and if i notice anything with gyno ill use the nolva with my cycle 20mg EOD or somethin....i think ill have UNLEASHED and some derma sus for PCT also

oh and khemix thats fuckin sick bro i cant wait cuz i know im gonna be committed to stick close to my eating plan or at least get whole foods instead of some shakes, im gonna train hard, and im gonna smoke some mary jane right before bed and start it all over

 

[khemix]

and im gonna smoke some mary jane right before bed and start it all over

You 'ain't the only one . How the hell do you expect us skinny bastards to eat all this food without some appetite stimulation?!

 

[hehateme000]

haha i feel you on that one bro, i love havin the munchies, i can eat with the big guys