bodybuilder vs. powerlifter

[spatts]

It don't make a crap of difference how or why you train, the difference between one person and another has more to do with their genetics than whether they are a powerlifter or bodybuilder.

Hm...then I should be able to switch back to my 4 day high volume split, and still expect to beat my 1RM in my next comp because I have the genetics to be a powerlifter. Interesting. Wish someone had told me that 10 years ago.

 

[vinylgroover]

Hm...then I should be able to switch back to my 4 day high volume split, and still expect to beat my 1RM in my next comp because I have the genetics to be a powerlifter. Interesting. Wish someone had told me that 10 years ago.

You took me a little out of context. I was referring to powerlifters who switch over to become bodybuilders.

Spatts and other powerlifters answer me this.....why do Olympic weightlifters have far more aesthetically pleasing physiques than powerlifters and most natural bodybuilders.

After all, i would imagine they do little in the way of isolation work as well. Why then don't we all aspire to train like an Olympic weightlifter instead of either powerlifrters or bodybuilders.

 

[spatts]

You think CCJ is hotter than me?!?!?

That's it! CCJ, post up a bikini shot...I gotta see this!

 

[louden_swain]

Well, liftbig thought he'd get a kick out of it...

Spatts,

Looks like you got sunburned!!

 

[b fold the truth]

Spatts and other powerlifters answer me this.....why do Olympic weightlifters have far more aesthetically pleasing physiques than powerlifters and most natural bodybuilders.

Maybe because leverage isn't as much of an issue in OL lifting...maybe because they aren't using SUPER heavy weights on squats and deadlifts... Maybe...just maybe it is because their weight classes are normally a lot closer together than in powerlifting and they are constantly fighting to maintain a low bodyweight.

I still don't consider most OL lifters to have a better physique than powerlifters...they seem either a lot smaller or fat...just the same. Also note that most OL lifters...are VERY short too...

B True

 

[Tarheel]

I'll have to disagree Bfold.

Strength in the squat is needed for the recovery in both the clean & jerk and the snatch. Also, you can't deny the similarities in the deadlift and the first pull of an olympic lift.

Its not uncommon for the superheavies to squat in the upper 3 figures, some have been known to squat over a grand. Lots of heavy and superheavyweight olympic lifters can front squat over 300 kilos (660 lbs) and back squat over 400 (~880).

Just one example is Mark Henry, placed 10th in the Barcelona Olympics lifting as a superheavy for Team USA, has squatted over 1000 and deadlifted over 900. Shane Hammond, one of the US's top superheavies at the moment, has squatted 1008 lbs.

Raimonds Bergmanis has deadlifted 770 for 11 reps. This is from a man who's competed in 3 Olympic Games (92, 96, 00) in weightlifting.

 

[b fold the truth]

I'll have to disagree Bfold.

Strength in the squat is needed for the recovery in both the clean & jerk and the snatch. Also, you can't deny the similarities in the deadlift and the first pull of an olympic lift.

Its not uncommon for the superheavies to squat in the upper 3 figures, some have been known to squat over a grand. Lots of heavy and superheavyweight olympic lifters can front squat over 300 kilos (660 lbs) and back squat over 400 (~880).

Just one example is Mark Henry, placed 10th in the Barcelona Olympics lifting as a superheavy for Team USA, has squatted over 1000 and deadlifted over 900. Shane Hammond, one of the US's top superheavies at the moment, has squatted 1008 lbs.

Raimonds Bergmanis has deadlifted 770 for 11 reps. This is from a man who's competed in 3 Olympic Games (92, 96, 00) in weightlifting.

Mark Henry: Genetic freak with the drive and determination of a sloth. Great genetics...refuses to work hard for anything. He consistantly was beaten by much smaller people...his strength simply wasn't that good for an Olympic Lifter. 10th in the Olympics is good...but a long way away from the weights that the winners were using. Also...note that he is FAT!! I have met him and he is VERY fat...(refering back to the original topic).

Shane Hammond...didn't he do powerlifting meets? I don't know a lot about him to be honest.

Raimonds Bergmanis's 770 pull for 11...was not from the floor. It was a partial deadlift on a lever...WSM. He is a very freaky man...strength wise...but not a great squatter or bencher.

Seriously though...in the powerlifts...body weight and body leverage is needed on the squat/bench/dead. A very good way to add that body leverage is through gaining mass, fat, and water. Having the extra fat is a plus in powerlifting...it really isn't as much in OL lifting...

Does that make any sense?

B True

 

[vinylgroover]

Super heavyweights excluded, weightlifters in all other classes are generally far more 'muscular' than powerlifters, pound for pound. I would say they would also be nearly as strong.

That suggests to me that maybe training the way an Olympic lifter does is better than both bodybuilding and powerlifting from a muscularity and strength point of view, ie you get the best of both worlds.

 

[spatts]

I can't believe how far gone this thread is. The question was very basic...what makes a person a PLer or a BBer...GOAL. That's it. The other question was what the difference is between someone's training like Bfold and Needsize...volume, split, sport specific conditioning. This really wasn't a complicated question. Fun, but not complicated.

 

[fortifiediron]

I have always witnessed the exact opposite, and feel that ex-powerlifters make some of the very best bodybuilders. What bodybuilders call "muscle maturity" is what powerlifters develop years earlier due to their training. You might want to double check the back grounds on the top dogs. I think you'll find that MOST of them were either powerlifters, or guys that don't draw a line between form and function...in other words, they are big and lift maximal weight too.

Platz also trained with Hatfield and Simmions in his prime too. Platz came to Hatfield one day and asked him why his legs where not growing, hatfield changed that for him. If you do not believe me ask Hatfield.


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