bodybuilder vs. powerlifter

[DBCooper]

Well I agree with B-fold again, and you always have to remember those Olympic lifters are drug free, so that makes them even better, oh I forgot isn't the U.S. OL the only ones in the world basicly that has out of season drug testing-now wonder we get our arses handed to us, when was the last gold medal the U.S. got in OL? think it was when Paul Anderson was still lifting makes you think uh. kinda ironic how even those 'drug tested guys' are just as strong as the untested.

 

[louden_swain]

Overall, interesting debates.

 

[benchmonster]

Spatts,

That was a big time compliment and you know it girly.

DB, ha ha, re: clean olympic lifters. That is a good one. Strange isn't it that we kick everyone's ass at almost every event in the olympics except those such as weightlifting?

And for whomever it is that thinks olympic lifters have better builds than powerlifters, give me a break!!! Have you ever seen the arms on an olympic lifter? With very few exceptions, they have very impressive backs and legs and tiny little arms. Not exactly a physique I would aspire to, but hey, maybe that is just me.

If you look at a lean powerlifter, and I am thinking like August Clark, Chuck Vogelpohl, Kenny Patterson at 220, Larry Pacifico (to go old school) and such, you will see amazing builds, tons of muscle everywhere.

And the difference between powerlifters and bodybuilders has something to do with genetics, sure, but it is mostly in the training. Sure, every bodybuilder at some time or another does the powerlifts, but there is a big difference between doing multiple sets of medium to high reps with 225 on the bench and benching over 500, 600, etc. for a single. Yeah they might both make you tired, but they will do vastly different things to your body.

B.

 

[coolcolj]

Spatts - I don't really consider myself a Oly lifter
I just wanna turn myself into an Animal
I personally think that the back developemnt that oly lifts bring, can't be matched by other exercises , especially for all the small muscles in the back.

To be fair having a big upper body for an oly lifter is a disadvantage, makes it harder from racking point of view and flexibility point of view. Especially big pecs - just try overhead squatting to see what I mean

sports specific. Having said that there are quite a few well built oly lifters - big weights make big muscles. There are also plenty of skinny powerlifters as well.

Genetics account for a lot.

Now throwers - are all explosive fast twitch people, they take the best bits of powerlifting and olylifting and add a whole lot of force training. Consequently they also quite big and powerful. Since there are no weight limits, they tend to be bulky - um fat, but the goal is to move implements far

But personally I feel throwers are the the what i call functional mass and power. they are big, strong and can jump high, far and run fast. An 8 feet standing long onto a 36 inch high box is pretty freaky...

 

[Tarheel]

Seriously though...in the powerlifts...body weight and body leverage is needed on the squat/bench/dead. A very good way to add that body leverage is through gaining mass, fat, and water. Having the extra fat is a plus in powerlifting...it really isn't as much in OL lifting...

Does that make any sense?

B True

I agree 100% with that statement. Leverage through added mass is much more advantageous in the 3 core powerlifts than it is in the classical weightlifts which have to be taken over the head to arms length.

 

[fortifiediron]

Shane Hammond squatted over 1000lbs he is far more impressive to me then Mark Henry. Shane can do a standing back flip and can one step and dunk a basketball and he is pushing his weight to near 400lbs. I think his vertical leap is 38''. Did I forget to mention he can snatch a 400lb barbell?



Kc

 

[fortifiediron]

In understanding how functional olympic lifting is think of this...

In the mexico city olympics they out jumped the jumpers and out sprinted the sprinters in the 25m and vertical leap.

There are 400lb mean doing backflips and dunking basketballs.

Countless #'s squat over 1000lbs with no suits,straps, or belts.

Kinda off topic, but Olympic lifting is actually a safer sport then bodybuilding and Powerlifting.


I have studies and stats to support everything i just said. If you want just ask me for them.


Kc

 

[spatts]

Have any of you taken into consideration that oly lifts are used by powrlifters all the time for accessory work? Just like someone mentioned that at some point everyone benches, squats, or deads (which I wish were even half true), powerlifters do oly moves for speed, isolation, etc... I totally credit hang snatches with giving me the upper back development I needed to hold a squat properly.

I also don't think it would be fair to compare all powerlifters to those that specifically train for speed, hypertrophy, etc... Hell, John Stafford did a 45" jump @ 282lbs, Dave Tate 43" @ 295lbs, Tilt Henry 38" @ 465lbs, and THE MAN Chuck V 38" @ 220lbs WITH the added resistance of a green band looped through his belt. These aren't lard asses by any stretch. I think that one of the reasons I see so many WSB lifters and strongmen cross competing is because both groups seem to want it all...speed, strength, conditioning, hypertrophy (the preferred form of leverage for any lifter), etc...

Likewise, oly lifting and pling both put massive focus on the posterior chain. What some plers may lack in speed, oly's lack in weight leverage. That still doesn't account for WSB plers that use leverage AND speed.

 

[vinylgroover]

Have any of you taken into consideration that oly lifts are used by powrlifters all the time for accessory work? Just like someone mentioned that at some point everyone benches, squats, or deads (which I wish were even half true), powerlifters do oly moves for speed, isolation, etc... I totally credit hang snatches with giving me the upper back development I needed to hold a squat properly.

Then why are Olympic lifters much more muscular. Sorry, but i disagree with DB Cooper. Pound for pound, Olympic lifters are more 'muscular' than powerlifters......at least the one's i've seen.

To benchmonster, you say Olympic lifters have very impressive backs and legs......throw in shoulders to the mix, but no arms. Well shit, last time i checked, legs, back and shoulders take up more than 2/3 of your physique......i wouldn't mind looking that impressive.

 

[spatts]

All you're saying, in this recurring statement, is that olys are leaner. No they don't have more muscle, they just have more muscle compared to fat. You're just talking about body fat %, and I think, to the best of my knowledge, you're the only one arguing that point.


...and you name high calves, high lats, poor inherent muscle separation, etc., but it's ok to only have 2/3 of a physique which includes no arms? Kinda odd logic.