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Tblock1
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Pretty sure he has always used them on rows. Nice rows btw andalite, I wish I had heavy enough dumbells at my gym to do them! Have you ever done barbell rows?
Andalite
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Well, two reasons.
Firstly, I didn't mention this but I ripped off my calluses so gripping anything is painful.
Secondly, my grip was limiting me from doing more reps on the rows. So, I decided to strap up and double my grip training. Therefore, I get the benefit I need for my rows because I am not rowing for grip work but for my back. So I get that desired training effect PLUS I train my grip using the grip training I do.
Barbell rows are useless compared to dumbbell rows. Most of the time you can't barbell row with strict form so you end up doing a sort of quarter rep deadlift and you jerk the weight therefore diluting the training effect on the upper back. With dumbbell rows I can concentrate more on my back. Thanks for kind words..I am going to miss these heavy dumbbells once I graduate.
Tblock1
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Are you going to find a new gym though with heavy db's? Honestly though the point of rows for a strength trainee is not to hypertrophy the upper back but to increase the deadlift correct? I would just think that pendlay rows or something similar where you explode the weight off the ground would be best. However I did do one handed cable rows yesterday with 120 and they felt great, I could get the weight further back so I really felt it in my back
Andalite
Elite Bodybuilder
Actually the point of dumbbell rows is to strengthen the upper back so that when you pull your back can sustain the load. With pendlay rows you can only go up so much before you start swinging the weight and then you basically end up doing a clusterfuck of a deadlift just to get the bar to touch you. I would rather row 120 dumbbells and feel it in my upper back versus doing some yanking with a barbell with 240 lbs. It's just that dumbbell rows provide stability so you as a trainee can obtain the training effect in your target movement: you want to be able to row heavy (and this is for all rows) so you can handle a heavy deadlift.Are you going to find a new gym though with heavy db's? Honestly though the point of rows for a strength trainee is not to hypertrophy the upper back but to increase the deadlift correct? I would just think that pendlay rows or something similar where you explode the weight off the ground would be best. However I did do one handed cable rows yesterday with 120 and they felt great, I could get the weight further back so I really felt it in my back
Plus, all these exercises are tools to get to where I want to get.. I am not overly attached to anything. I like dumbbell rows because they are useful right now. If they become of less use to me tomorrow I'll dump them for something else. I don't have a personal attachment with tools that I need...I have personal attachments to my goals
i disagree, with db rows ur more apt to fuck up. With bb rows, you said most of the time you swing it. Ill video me not swinging it and see how it even looks like a quarter deadlift with a jerk or whatever you said.
I personally do both because why limit yourself, but you said bb rows are useless. Thats pretty arrogant. My sig pic shows what bb rows can do for you.
I personally do both because why limit yourself, but you said bb rows are useless. Thats pretty arrogant. My sig pic shows what bb rows can do for you.
Tblock1
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Oh snap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree about not swinging, to say that you somehow don't swing on bb rows but do on db rows makes no sense. Besides, you do a decent amount of jerking the weight up on your reps in your vids anda.
Swinging the weight up doesnt happen because youre doing bb rows and not db rows, its because youre doing too much weight. Thats what happens with ANY lift, too much weight and youre gonna lose form.
andalite im not tryin to make argument but you said bb rows are useless, but then you swing your body just as much as I do when i do bb rows. With db rows you should also let your arm hang down more and get that full stretch, thats the point with a dumbell, more range of motion. You stop short and swing. Still some pretty good weight but i say drop it down to 105 and really focus on the stretch in your back and not swinging
Tblock1
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yeah when I did the 1 armed cable rows I did them really slow and controlled, felt great. Lol I gotta get to bed shouldnt be up so late................ later
This, with some concentration and practice you will be able to keep the reps steady and stay bent over.
I dont like either that much, barbell rows are bit awkward to be bent over so far I find and with dumbell rows I find it very hard to make my back do the work. I love seated cable rows though strict reps with the doube D handle
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