The Biblical Believers....

[WODIN]

I dont argue those.

I know God is real. I know it. I dont need God because if he does not exist I'll go to hell. He's real because I can feel him in my life ; he is there just as much as I am there. To know God in your life and see what he does, you cannot deny this. You just have to open your heart a little ; and not be dead to life and love, but alive to feel what its like to truly love and live.

a person's perception changes.


Of course all the talking/typing in the world will not convince you of that. AND thats ok. If you dont want God in your life, thats fine. God does not want anyone who does not want him either. I'm sure God is dissapointed that you keep rejecting him ; but does not want to force you either. He wants what you want. Thats what love is right?

Can you tell me in the bible where it says that God doesn't want anyone in his life that doesn't want him in there's?

 

[ceo]

WOW. You are going into a whole other arguement: The Holy Trinity. (or the not so holy Trinity) lol

This thread could go on forever. lol

but that is what christians believe universally across every denomination. It's the basis of the religion...Jesus is God. Both the Nicean Creed and the Apostle's Creed establish this idea of a Trinity. Christian churches have been driving this idea home since it was established around 325 AD.

If you don't believe in the trinity, how do you call yourself a Christian?

If jesus is god, why when asked when the end of the world would be, did he reply that no man knows, not even the angels, but "only my Father" knows?
If he were God, he would surely have known as God is omniscient.

Why, in the bible, did Jesus (if he were God) repeatedly call himself the, "son of man"? If he were god why not say so?

I could go on...

 

[ceo]

Don't worry man, I was a born again Christian for most of my life and God never spoke to me.

me too. I guess we're still covered if "once saved always saved" is true huh?

 

[javaguru]

me too. I guess we're still covered if "once saved always saved" is true huh?

That's debated among Christians too. Rejecting the holy spirit is listed as the only unforgivable sin but how does that work if you've already accepted Jesus as your lord and savior?

 

[ceo]

yep god is a good brotha..

god is black?

 

[cindylou]

Can you tell me in the bible where it says that God doesn't want anyone in his life that doesn't want him in there's?

Its clear because he does not force us to worship him ; nor does he force us to be with him in heaven. As far as I know there it does not say in the bible that God does not want anyone who does not want him. Thats a conclusion I made based on the fact that he lets us choose.

The Gift of God is that a gift. It's given which means you have to take it. You are not born with it.

Should I have said that God does not WANT java?? No. Of course he does. God/ devine being who created something would not want to be seperated from his child. But God does not want to force java worship him or accept the gift of his son. Thats what I should have said I guess.

Thats what you all want, right? Its pretty clear in the bible that you can accept or reject him. You can reject ; I can accept? Do we have to hate eachother because we made different choices?? Do we have to try and convince others otherwise? Or try to make them falter in their faith? If that be faith of God or not? Why would you want that? Many people find meaning and purpose in their lives by worhsipping God; just like one guy might find meaning in his life with his job / wife / car etc.

We all look for meaning/ purpose/ truth. If you say there is no God who defines that purpose for us ; you will still look for meaning. You will devote your love to other things ; trying to find that meaning.

All I was saying is that I'm not going to sit here and tell Java about the fire of hell. The ultimate punishment for rejecting Christ is just that: distance from God ; a God he wants no part of.

He knows this. He's out on a mission to change everyone else to believe what he belives ; stating that religion is somehow detremental or bad for society ; when its not religion or GOD. It's the selfish people who misuse it.

How could having one being ; person ; who could give us an absolute truth be bad for society? I mean ; we cannot logically come up with absolute truth on our own? A set of morals for everyone? What determines what is right or wrong if there is not God? What happens then?

 

[cindylou]

That's debated among Christians too. Rejecting the holy spirit is listed as the only unforgivable sin but how does that work if you've already accepted Jesus as your lord and savior?

i dont believe that there are any unforgivable sins.

However, either you never REALLY believed ; or your heart has become too hard to let him in.

Did you ever really have faith??? Really????

 

[javaguru]

i dont believe that there are any unforgivable sins.

However, either you never REALLY believed ; or your heart has become too hard to let him in.

Did you ever really have faith??? Really????

I was 12, so yes. By 16 I had rejected the Bible as the literal word of God....I finally became a full fledged Atheist within the last few years. The more I studied Christianity and read the Bible the less of a believer I became.

My brother in law was a Baptist minister and my earliest memory of attending church is about age 6. I was fully indoctrinated in the faith.

 

[jackangel]

i hate cindylou because she won't send me pics. i've prayed and prayed to her, but no go.

 

[musclemom]

I think the thing that gets me about biblical believers is this dogged hanging onto the concept of a personification of the Divine.

That which created the universe and all within it is neither male nor female, and most certainly doesn't possess the petty bullshit that humanity, in personifying it, has imbued it with.

The biblical writings were put together as religious/spiritual propaganda specifically designed to be a) societal laws and b) to turn people against earth based worship (that's why G-O-D lives up in the SKY and the DEVIL lives down here under the earth somewhere).

Whatever ... the fact of the matter is more people and cultures have been destroyed or abused in the name of the petty, bigoted God of the Jews or his martyred "son" than for any other cause in the history of humanity, and to deny that fact is to put blinders on. The poison that is contained within the covers of the "holy bible" has done nothing but create cults of fear, using threats of eternal damnation and torture to control people and justifies the subjugation of women.