I cant handle the shit. I tried twice. I start loosing it eachtime and honeslty cant tell its from the tren, cause the way i feel is so real. Seroiusly almost ended in divorce both times ive used it. Be carefull with tren if you have a family. I get just as good of results with less sides using Test, Var, And winny. I look freaky and dont feel as fucking crazy.