Help with slightly botched Rev200 conv

[1stateofmind]

Hopefully this isn't an unfixable problem but I recently attempted a Revalor 200 conversion and am at a point now to where I don't want to screw anything up if I can help it. I followed basskiller's directions on syno conversion which i hear is exactly how a revalor conversion works. Everything went perfectly right up until I was drying my powder in the oven as was directed in the steps provided. I was checking on the powder every 20 minutes to make sure I broke up any clumps when after about an hour I noticed the powder had a tannish tint to it. I immediately pulled it from the oven to find that some of the powder had started to melt and stick to the foil it was resting on. About 12g of powder was fine, except for the slightly tannish tint on some, but had to scrape about 3-4g off the foil which had started to gel. My powder was dry but did have quite a few gelly little chunks which i got off of the foil.

I was working on a strict time line here so maybe this was my downfall. I had 16g of powder and 100ml of oil, my BA and BB. This was all the oil I had so I decided to try and double up on my dosage to reach 200mg/ml instead of the 100mg/ml to make up it work with the 100ml of oil I had. I had ordered 2-100ml bottles but only 1 came, after I had ordered a conversion kit that never came. I followed the ratio for my BA/BB that I got on a conversion thread for the 200mg/ml. I put all of my powder(16g) into a 50ml vial. I then added my 4ml BA and 12 BB to it as instructed. This is my first conversion so I wasn't sure exactly what to expect. It basically seemed like pissing on an ant hill. After a couple of minutes, the powder liquified(sorta), but now I have a 50ml vial full of what looks almost like cream of wheat.

I am about 99% sure its not supposed to look like this and wasn't about to drop in my oil for fear of ruining everything. I realize probably a huge part of my problem was trying to do all of this in the strict time limit I had, and trying to dillute all the powder into use for 100ml of oil(which I had planned on having 200ml of oil to work with). I'm hoping to god I didn't ruin the 10 carts I used and can somehow salvage what I have. I'm hoping I can atleast maybe dissolve it in HEET again and start fresh again. Or do I need to add more BA/BB? Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[C0LUMB0]

wrong forum.

 

[1stateofmind]

Sorry for posting in the wrong place but could you guide me to the right place?

 

[goin on 4T]

Did you remove the estro?

 

[1stateofmind]

Yeah, removed the estro. I've never done a conversion so I'm not sure what the powder is supposed to look like after the bb/ba is added. Seems impossible for all the powder(16 g) to completely dissolve in only roughly 16ml of ba/bb. Don't know if overheating when drying it caused it to start looking crazy or what. Would it be better to start from scratch and dissolve the entire powder/solution in heet again or is that even possible at this point?

 

[goin on 4T]

Did you heat everything as you added the BA and BB?
I have only done powder never conversion kits.
It should desolve at 110-130 degrees F.
What temp did you bring it to?

 

[goin on 4T]

As long as you didn't cook the powder at over 400 degrees F, powder should be fine.

 

[1stateofmind]

No I didn't heat it as I mixed it to the ba/bb. Wasn't aware that I should. Not sure if my powder was 100% dry before I added the ba/bb although I'm pretty sure it was. I've heard this can be an issue in dissolving as the moisture doesn't allow the powder to dissolve completely. Does 16ml of ba/bb sound sufficient for 16g of powder?

 

[goin on 4T]

It doesn't have to be 100% dry. And if that really mattered you wouldn't have mixed them with the BA and BB.
What is your total finished volume?
200ml?
Thats BS unless these kits are different then powders but if you heated it enough to go to powder then back to a liquid you took out all the moisture. IMHO

 

[1stateofmind]

Makes sense about the lack of moisture if I heated it to the melting point. At first I was shooting for roughly 200ml @100mg/ml but got shorted on my oil by 100ml so I opted for 100ml @ approx 200mg/ml. Got the ratio for ba/ba from a different forum. So when you dissolve your powder in your ba/bb, are you left with a clear solution? I'm just baffled that 16g can be dissolved into 16ml of bb/ba. What ratio do you use?

 

[goin on 4T]

You are not going to get tren ace to hold at 200mg/ml in gso.
You need to go to the grocery store and buy a bottle of gso.
Don't add anymore ba or bb.
16g = 160ml @ 100mg/ml
You have too much ba and bb if you do 100mg/ml but it won't kill you.
So what do you want?
100mg/ml
Or 80mg/ml?

 

[1stateofmind]

100mg/ml. I'll have to get some more gso(which I'm assuming is grape seed oil). Is it okay to mix what I have(I'll try to attach a pic) with the oil?

 

[goin on 4T]

Why did you put it in a sealed vial?
You do know that you have to filter it?
It's not sterile until after its filtered.

 

[1stateofmind]

It's not sealed. It has a rubber cap on if. Does the mixture look even close to how it's supposed to be? This is 16g powder and 16ml(4ml ba 12ml bb).

 

[goin on 4T]

Well because you did not heat it, yes it looks like a bunch of stuff put in solvents that were not heated.

 

[1stateofmind]

Never saw where I needed to heat it until I heard it from you. How would you recommend I heat it and for how long? And what is it supposed to look like afterwards? Thanks for your insight by the way, it's greatly appreciated.

 

[goin on 4T]

Now I can the pic better on my pc screen than on phone. What that looks like shit! LOL
Don't worry I have made some ugly shit before too.
Get a litre of Grape seed oil at the grocery store.
Get a large frying pan add 1-2 inches of water. Set it on low heat.
Pour as much of that stuff into beaker as you can, then put both in the boiling water to heat them slowly.
Do not let the water in the pan get to a full boil, you may need to add water to the pan never let it go dry.
Once the vial holding that crap is warm try and pour all into the beaker.
When the temp in the beaker gets between 110-130 the solution should become clear and the crap suspended in the solvents (BA and BB)
Let it stay warm for 20 min 120 -140 degree F.
Then add 130 ml of the GS oil to the beaker. Again heat to 120-140 F.
That should give you 160ml of 100mg/ml.
Then you will need to filter your solution.
What type of filter are you using?

 

[1stateofmind]

Whataman .45. I think I said the name right

 

[goin on 4T]

.45 isn't good enough bro. You need to use .2 what man

 

[UA_Iron]

you will be sorely disappointed with 200mg/ml test propionate from this conversion.

One should always use .22um or finer filters for filtration - .45um will not filter out a magnitude of common viruses. .22um will get out 99% of everything - with the exception of rare prions that typically do not exist in ones homebrewing environment.

Your filter element should be composed of PVDF or PTFE as these are both compatible with BA and BB at the prescribed percent compositions. Other membrane elements are not compatible and can erode or react negatively to the BA/BB. PTFE is the best for material compatibility, but it has a tendency to clog faster than PVDF due to unequal distribution of pore size (my own personal theory).

Your solution appears that is has not yet gone into solution - your final composition for test prop 100mg/ml with 16g of raw powder should be:

4ml BA (since you have BA at 2.5%, this is acceptable I suppose)
32ml BB (should be at 20% with prop)
109.46ml Carrier oil (preferably GSO as goin on 4T mentioned)
16g Test prop powder

for a total of 160ml @ 100mg/ml.

 

[UA_Iron]

The brownish tint is probably due to some kind of oxidation process - doesn't mean it's bad... just be careful with it

 

[goin on 4T]

4ml BA (since you have BA at 2.5%, this is acceptable I suppose)
32ml BB (should be at 20% with prop)
109.46ml Carrier oil (preferably GSO as goin on 4T mentioned)
16g Test prop powder

for a total of 160ml @ 100mg/ml.

Thanks UA I can't believe I screwed up my measurement.

 

[1stateofmind]

So I should keep my ba the same and add 20 ml of bb? And I assume tren and test prop are pretty much universal? And the bb is the primary solvent right?

 

[goin on 4T]

Yes increase the BB leave the BA the same.
Actually test p is harder to work with than tren a. because it has a much higher melting point approx. 250 vs 177 C.

 

[1stateofmind]

Really appreciate the help!! I feel soo much better about what I have now. I'll get everything together and see how it goes. Thanks again.

 

[goin on 4T]

No problem we have all been in your shoes.

 

[1stateofmind]

Quick question. How many of the .2 filters should I get?

 

[goin on 4T]

I would get two 250ml just incase you have a problem.

 

[1stateofmind]

I'm confused. I was assuming the .2 filters were the syringe mounted ones. Or are we talking about the same thing?

 

[goin on 4T]

I'm confused. I was assuming the .2 filters were the syringe mounted ones. Or are we talking about the same thing?

Yeah I guess I never use those. Then I would get 4.

 

[1stateofmind]

I'm open to suggestions. Exactly which kind do you use?

 

[1stateofmind]

Thanks for all the help. Ran a 4 month cycle(yes, I realize that's ridiculously long) but gained 30lbs solid lean muscle!!!!! Actually gained 40 but lost 10 after I quit cycle but I've been at steady weight for the past two weeks. So now I'm coming back for round two. Ordered EVERYTHING I need EXCEPT for the estro solubilizer which seems to have completely vanished from the Internet. The site I got it from last time(Brett mavericks) seems to be down and I'm all out of options. I've read about making my own with NaOh but I'm just way more comfortable trusting it to the pros. Can anyone PLEASE lead me in the right direction of finding a source?