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Extremely low energy/strength level. Help me out.

Sassy69 said:
When you go extremely low carb for more than 3 days or so , you are actually putting yourself into a ketogenic state (think - the first 2 weeks of the Atkins Diet). The Atkins Diet can make you drop weight - first water because complex carbs require water to hold them in your body (thus the bloat you feel when you eat a lot of them) so you see that big initial "weight drop" (its not fat ... its water weight). Then you can continue to drop - and Atkins people often drop fat & weight because they are watchign their total cal intake for the first time in their lives as well - so not necessarily that its a great diet - just its a controlled diet. But as you continue to stick to this crazy low carb state, you start to drag ass & feel lethargic. This is not a great way to build muscle simplly because you have no energy for lifting. And further because your body is now realizing that its carb intake has been stifled waaay below what it is used to, it will eventually respond by slowing up the metabolism - the rate at which it burns energy -- because it thinks there's a limited amount, and possibly not a replenishable source (e.g. like in a drought -- its a survival mechanism) of carbs so it holds onto everything it has ---> that's how you see people hit plateaus and get frustrated when they follow continuously low carb diets. Your body NEEDS carbs to run efficiently. Not EXCESS carbs but just enough.

I would suggest doign a carb cycle schedule - over a 3 day period do the following:

Day 1 - High carb (e.g. 150 g carb - e.g. 3 servings of complex carb over the day - 1/2 c oatmeal, 3 oz sweet potato, 3 oz potato)
Day 2 - Med carb (e.g. 100 g carb - e.g. 2 servings of complex carb over the day)
Day 3 - Low carb ( e.g. 30-50 g carb - e.g. 1 serving complex carb)
Day 4 - repeat Day 1.

Best to match up the higher carb days w/ your heavier lifting days - e.g. leg day. Low carb days on cardio only days. These dont' have to match up exactly to your training schedule - but if you can try to get them close or anticipate less energy if its a low carb day but its a heavy training day.

If you are carb sensitive - use Glucorell - 1 pill for each 30 g of complex carb in your meal. But if you feel like you can't lose fat when you eat carbs - that just wrong. I cut 30 lbs & 8% bf using carb cycling and its a staple of my competition prep. But if you go low carb forever and then slip cuz your tired, hungry, whatever - sure your body will respond because it is dragging on no carbs for too long.

Have you ever worked on something really hard - to the point of where you just can't see it anymore? (that probably makes no sense to anyone but me) It's like working on a jigsaw puzzle and you cannot find the right piece to save your life. Someone walks up behind you, picks the piece right up and puts it in place. You just want to beat your head on the table.

I'll switch up today. Thank you so much for the help.
 
Its really easy to let the generally held misinformation about dieting completely throw a well-developed diet that is otherwise completely solid & feasible. Don't sweat it - its a learnign process that everyone has little details that dont' seem to make sense or you arent' sure where they fit. Carbs is one of them. We are all obsessed w/ low carbs, carbs are bad, etc. The one truth about nutrition is that so much of it is completely counter-intuitive and that's why you have to look at the whole story & not just pull out easily packaged & marketed things like these low carb diets, etc.

Run the carb cycle for a few weeks, see how it works for you. I wouldn't suggest running it endlessly forever. Diets always need to change because your body's state of response is always changing. And you also have ot have the patience to experiement and not totally freak out because you didnt' lose "weight" for a few days -- nothing is a regular continuous predictable process. There are too many factors involved.
 
I'll tell ya' what!!!! I just started cutting last Friday and my energy and strength are both down too! After eating 150g - 200g carbs a day and dropping down to 70 or 80 I see a HUGE difference. Never noticed that before. Probably why I LOVED bulking so much - I just felt better eating my carbs.

If it's any comfort at all.....I'm in the boat with ya', Girlie!!!!! I've taken an EC stack today and just popped a T-REX! :rolleyes:
 
scorpiogirl said:
I'll tell ya' what!!!! I just started cutting last Friday and my energy and strength are both down too! After eating 150g - 200g carbs a day and dropping down to 70 or 80 I see a HUGE difference. Never noticed that before. Probably why I LOVED bulking so much - I just felt better eating my carbs.

If it's any comfort at all.....I'm in the boat with ya', Girlie!!!!! I've taken an EC stack today and just popped a T-REX! :rolleyes:

It is hard to drop the carbs down. I added muscle in December/January. Started cutting in Feb., but the going has been slow. In the last few weeks, progress has finally begun to show, but energy is caput. I've overcut the carbs.

I tend to get into a diet rut. I eat the same things most of the time because it's easier to count. :D And easier to shop. Shadow mentioned a while back that everything works, but only for so long - meaning that I need to stay on top of things and have enough brains to switch up when my program stalls.

Sassy gave me that much needed bitch-slap, and back on track I go. :D
 
I may have missed this in your log, but are you OK eating that far below maintenance? From your stats and activity level, using Katch-McArdle formula (lean mass based) for basal metabolic rate and a moderate (3-5 day/week) activity multiplier, your maintenance level is 2395 calories/day, which would give you a cutting level of about 1895/day. I'm just asking 'cause if I drop below max cutting level, I lose all my lift strength and energy and quit losing, but I can cut and lift like crazy in the 'zone'!

I'm nowhere near as up as Sassy on this kind of stuff though, so go with her notes!
 
scorpiogirl said:
I'll tell ya' what!!!! I just started cutting last Friday and my energy and strength are both down too! After eating 150g - 200g carbs a day and dropping down to 70 or 80 I see a HUGE difference. Never noticed that before. Probably why I LOVED bulking so much - I just felt better eating my carbs.

If it's any comfort at all.....I'm in the boat with ya', Girlie!!!!! I've taken an EC stack today and just popped a T-REX! :rolleyes:
You did?!?!?!?!?!? Feel anything???
 
Thanks for all the info on carbs! I am the most carb sensitive person around, my body loves, loves loves carbs I have been tired for the last week too, all the info about macros and carb cycling is awesome. I am so filled with new found knowledge I think my hubby is sick of hearing about it. He just wants me to change his diet and not hear about why, but he is a good sport!
 
I tried a fat burner that was supposed to grab the carbs and I became really sick, does glucorell do the same type of thing?
 
ck2006 said:
I tried a fat burner that was supposed to grab the carbs and I became really sick, does glucorell do the same type of thing?

no. although you can make yourself go hypo if you overdo it. (too many Glucorells and not enough carbs)
 
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