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[powerlifterjay]

I do think that there is a difference in the full power meet lifter, and the specialist.

I know when i am getting ready for a bench meet its no big deal really. I am not nervous, i am relaxed and calm. But prep for a full power meet is stressful, and takes alot of get ready time. Because it is harder and way more demanding.

Training is very different. I know 100% i could bench more if i didnt train for all three lifts. Squatting really get the bicep tendonitis flared up. Not to meniton the over traiing aspect from squatting and deadlifting.

But there is nothing wrong with being a specialist. Bottom line is the lift that they do is better then anyone or they wouldnt do just that. Not to mention if they are dealing with old injuries they can still compete. I have thought many times about just benching only. But i just cant dump the others.

Are bench specialist who train for that, powerlifters? NO. The only reason i can say this, is because we have a guy in our group who is bench only. He really isnt even that good. He is about 500 @181. BUt to compare his lazy ass with the way me, Jimmie Dean, And Freak19 train is a farse! No way can i label that guy a powerlifter. In fact i heard him tell someone he is a powerlifter, and i said no way are you one. But in fairness to real specialist, this guys doesnt train hard on his days he is there. So i guess i dont knwo whats in the regimen of a real specialist. He is so fuckin lazy , we all want to boot him out , but because we're friends it makes it hard. Just like we have had to boot others, that are freinds. We just want it the three of us. I dont know how Louie Does it!

Truth is many might think i am a specialist. I am not. Though i dont compete full power often, i do train for them year round. No breaks. I do bench meets more so, cause yes, i do love benching the best, but they take little prep. Fullpower is a dedication that is precise and takes a full "get ready mode" i must get in to.

Two different worlds!

 

[Imnotdutch]

Quote of the day:

"we have a guy in our group who is bench only. He really isnt even that good. He is about 500 @181." [Powerlifterjay, 2002]

This is why I like using the boards........it reminds me of how far I have to go!! Great inspiration.

 

[IrishPower]

VDOP:

hehe... i was just razzing you a little. Seriously though, when I had my surgery, I stayed in the fucking house so people wouldnt get to me. You need to let that shit heal man. You will be back 100% if you are smart. If your girlfriend gets you into fights, you need to drop her if you want to be a great powerlifter.

Screwball:

I don't mean to put down the specialists. You are right. I have respect for them, too. Kennelly is huge, obviously trains his whole body, but I think an inordinate attention is paid to the benchers when it is the 3-lifters who have put in more work.

pljay:
500@181..... hahah 181... that is still small. 600@181. Still small..... hehe

l8r guys.
/irish

 

[powerlifterjay]

Ok i didnt mean for it to come out like that. See this guy has alot of natural talent. His arms hang down to his waist, he is 5'5 and 185lbs and is actually pudgy!! Heres the thing. His bench is not moving. He got an open back 2x denim so it moved it up some. BUt after speed, or raw benching he leaves the gym. On ME day after the ME movement, he leaves. He comes in one other day in the week and does pull downs and leaves. He hasnt had a bench get passed since last AUG. Then he did 460 ish. He tells eveyone he benches 550lbs. BUt he has done 545 like i have done 660. Within an inch or two but still not down. I cant bench 660 yet. When at the bench Nationals in June in Daytona he brought 512 with in centimeters from touching and it barely went up, but still no good...Bomb number 4or 5!! If he trained harder he would be stronger and better. BUt dont get me wrong his bench is good , but its been the same for over a year. His bench is good but like i said he isnt that good!

500 at anyweight is good. Sorry didnt mean to make it sound like anyless sucked. Thats not what i meant. He sucks is what i meant!

 

[BODYSNATCHER]

Well IrishPower, as far as that statement about "RARELY being injuries that you can't overcome, just lack of willpower to do so", that all depends on what the injury was, and what "overcoming" the injury means. I've completely ruptured my patellar tendon, the doctor said I'd be lucky to walk regularly again, well, it took about 15 months of rehab, but I could run again - but I'm not going to be able to squat at the level it takes to win any competition or even train to squat, UNLESS I WANT TO RUPTURE THE TENDON AGAIN. There's a difference between coming back and BEING STUPID. And a muscle tear is a lot different than a tendon rupture. Everyone talks about the comebacks of some of these guys, but nobody talks about ALL THE SURGERY REPAIRS they go in for AFTER THE COMEBACKS. Some times you have to use your head.

So I might not be able to squat or deadlift, that doesn't keep me from benching enough to be ranked near the top of the bench lists in PL USA. It's being able to achieve goals that YOU ARE PHYSICALLY ABLE TO ACHIEVE - without being stupid and crippling yourself for life. Think about it.

 

[IrishPower]

:: " the injury means. I've completely ruptured my patellar tendon,

talk to john bott. talk to joe ladnier... talk to matt dimel (if he were alive) ... same injuiry... still lifting the big numbers

:: the doctor said I'd be lucky to walk regularly again, well, it took about 15 months of rehab, but I could run again - but I'm not competition or even train to squat, UNLESS I WANT TO RUPTURE THE TENDON AGAIN. There's a difference between coming back and BEING STUPID.

most doctors will tell you that powerlifting in general is stupid. do you have the balls to do what it takes to be a champion powerlifter? even if it mean being stupid?

::And a muscle tear is a lot different than a tendon rupture.

yep. i had a tendon rupture. yep i will probably need corrective surgery on my rotator cuff as well shortly. i dont give a shit... my deadlift and squat will move up when i am rehabbing that as well.

::Some times you have to use your head.

if you want to use your head, get a hobby like chess.

 

[BODYSNATCHER]

Hey IrishPower, how old are you? Do you have any kids? As far as brains or balls - it's more like brains or EGO man. Don't say that all patellar tendon ruptures are the same either - because they're not. And the way your surgeon does the repair, has a lot to do with wether you will ever be able to squat heavy again or not.

How big are your balls when your kids have to push you around in a wheel chair.

See me when you hit 45 years old - and then again when you're 55. Oh, or are you one of those "BURY ME MASSIVE" guys.

When it's all said and done, if you make it to 50, you'll be one of those guys that says, 25 years ago, I was able to squat 8, and bench 6, and deadlift 7. But now, I'm content sitting here watching my TV, from the couch, with my big balls, until I leave this earth - because my life as a powerlifter ruined me.

If you're smart, you'll drop the EGO, and pick up a BRAIN.

And Chess isn't my game. I'm 44, can't squat, but I can still drop a left hook.

This is the sport that takes real balls -http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=130200

 

[IrishPower]

bodysnatcher:

This thread really wasn't meant to be about YOUR life or YOUR surgery. It was one lifter reporting on his progress from a repair, with others offering active encouragement that he could get back into the sport full-blown if he were smart.

Somewhere you jumped in and said that not all injuries came be returned from. I will give you that a small % of injuries are bad enough to merit discontinuing. However, that % is small. I said it before, and I will say it again,

"healing is in the mind."

If you don't want to compete, fine. That is your right. You may now derive more pleasure out of your family and children, and that is great for you.

But for someone to have gotten a 600 bench raw (i will take VDOP at his word here), he obviously has the genetics and willpower to be a lifter, and if this is what he choses to do, that is his business and he doesn't need some over-the-hill naysayer telling him that it can't be done.

Again: If you have moved on in your life, good for you! But for those of us that are still actively competing and wanting insane strength, we choose not to focus on what we'll be like at age 40 or 50. We simply don't give a fucking shit. Although, I doubt it will be as bad as you say. Those that are active and not beaten down by life seem to be ok to me.

And don't talk to me about fat ex-football players who can't get around anymore. I see lifters competing in their 40s and 50s all the time now. One of those stubborn bastards just beat me in competition at age 55. That is 25 years my senior.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Irish,

I think you meant strongestsurvive claimed a 600 raw bench........VDOP didnt (he posted above and sounded confused ).

 

[powerlifterjay]

Yes i think VDOP is part of the Okie crew. Strongestsurvuve is the 600lb raw bencher.

Vdop did sound confused!! With good reason!

As far as injuries go i think all injuries are different. I see both of ya'lls points. Irish if your young (and we are) and you get a injury most will try to comeback. BUt if its bad enough and like Bodysnatcher said , you can never squat at a competetive level, why kill yourself. At 45 if my knees are shot iam just gonna bench too.

BUt if i slipped some discs, tear my pec, rotator , you name it i am gonna be back in full force soon. If i do it at 45 i may hang it up!

I know some guys that have been hurt and currently i cant see anyway in hell they could ever squat. And for that matter even to try would be insane! But if they loved squatting so much that it was an obsession, they would probably find away. I knwo i personally would exhaust all options before i ever hang up benching. BUt if for some reason i couldnt deadlift anymore(you know i suck at it) i think life would go on. Take away the other two, i would probably need to be treated for depression!!