advice on 1st cycle

[mystic3]

stats: I'm 5"2 115, have a clean diet: protein shakes, chicken, turkey, tuna, lots of veggies, berries, and whole wheat bread. I get to the gym about 4 to 5 times a week, separating my workout: shoulders/ abs, leggs, chest/tris/ back/ bis. I'm trying to up the cardio to 30 min 3 times a week.
I want to gain 5lbs of muscle, yet get lean at the same time,
Any suggestions ona combo for 1st cycle?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

How long have you been working out? What made you think about tring AS to reach your goals? How educated are you about AS - side effects, etc.?

Leaning out is about diet - it's that simple. As a matter of fact, gaining muscle is about diet too. How much protein are you taking in? Also, berries and whole wheat bread isn't ideal for leaning out for most people.

Do a search, limited to the women's board, for anavar. It is typically the mildest AS although side effects are common. If you don't know a lot about AS, you should take many hours and read posts on the Women's Board about steriods. There is a crap load of info on here!

 

[mystic3]

thanks for the reply- I have been spending lots of time reading about AS and all their sideaffects. I have been lifting for about 3 years now, I also know its all about diet. I am eating bread and barries right now because i havn't started the leaning process. By then I will change my diet a bit and up the cardio as well. I guess i was looking for personal experience and side affects on Anavar/ primobolan acetate/ and winny.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Well, for individual expereinces, it is still a good idea to do search (if you haven't already) for the specific things you want. Limit it to the women's board of you want female experiences.

Last year, I did Anavar (Denkall and SPA) and LOVED it. Got way strong and leaned out. But I was good with my diet (most of the time). This spring (starting in April), I am going to do Anavar again (either loeffler or denkall) but combine it with nandrolone phenylpropinate.

In general, what I read, is that Winny is NOT an AS that helps women lean out. Winny helps MEN lean out, women it seems to just bloat up. But everyone is different.

As for Primo, not likely you'll find REAL Primo.

 

[Temple]

But keep in mind that EVERYONE responds differently. I love winny, no bloat but it makes my joints hurt. Nandrolone even at really low doses makes it almost impossible to lose fat in certain places and I retain a boatload of water. Anavar I love! For your first time Var is probably your best choice.

 

[mystic3]

Have any of you tried Anavar with deca? Just those two alone in a cycle? and how did you feel?

 

[valerie]

For your first cycle you should do only ONE steroid, otherwise you won't know what is doin what. Var would be a good place to start.-valerie

 

[spatts]

Mystic3...what is your goal? I read that you want to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time; I get that. What I want to know is your agenda. Are you looking to compete? If so, what area of the sport? Fitness? Figure? BB? PL? Just want to be the hottest chick on the beach this summer? Just wondering what the motive is...may be useful in deciding what direction to go.

Temple's right...different strokes for different folks.

Daisy said she was wanting to do nandro-prop with var, then you asked about deca. Deca is nandrolone. Nandrolone prop is a 3-4 day ester of nandrolone, and deca is a 7-10 day ester (we could debate these half lives all day, but I think you see my point). So, in other words, if you can take one nandro with var, of course you can take another nandro with var....BUT...please take one or the other first. That's just smart. You can always add it in later. I think var and nandroprop are two of the best for women. Problem is in finding nandro-prop. Also, if you're a competitive athlete, and are in a tested comp, nanadrolone will test positive for 18 months...one more thing to consider.

I would really like more history...where you've been, what you've been doing, where you're going, etc. Most people I know don't need AS. I have been using 5mg a day of var for my shoulder, and only for about 6-8 weeks. Prior to that, the only cycle I've completed was test over 1 1/2 years ago. In the last 10 months, I've added 20+ pounds of muscle, and over 600 pounds to my lifts, clean. I'm not knocking AS use by ANY stretch, but a little goes a long way....a great diet and proper training go even further.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

But keep in mind that EVERYONE responds differently. I love winny, no bloat but it makes my joints hurt. Nandrolone even at really low doses makes it almost impossible to lose fat in certain places and I retain a boatload of water. Anavar I love! For your first time Var is probably your best choice.

Everyone does respond differently, which is exactly why I said in my post that everyone is different. There is no standard AS that everyone likes and responds well too. Even Anavar, which is quite mild, can cause side effects in some people.

Temple, when you say Nandrolone makes you retain water, are you talking about DECA (Nandro Deconoate) or Nandro Phenylpropinate? Deca I have heard can make you retain water, but I haven't read that about Nandro Phenyl. But then again, not many females have tried NP (or at least they don't post it).

 

[spatts]

ANYTHING can make you retain water. ANYTHING.