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NubianBeauty
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DAMN! Mine came Priority so 3 days in the post no dry iceBrickGirl said:
Does that mean it's not good now?NubianBeauty
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LOL! Thanks Lobo... I'm in the South and it has been 70-85 degrees her all week that's why I was worried.
SG,
Well, I know what GH is - just wondering if anyone's found something other than injectable GH that works almost as well. Besides being completely out of my wallet-range, I'm way too big of a wimp to go there.
i.e. - somatropin sprays, precursors, velvet antler, etc.
I know of half a dozen ways to increase it naturally, but having FMS and being over 35, I'm bound to be an underproducer anyway. They haven't approved medically supervised injections (which I might be able to handle) for FMS patients yet (though they are testing it), and it's likely not to be approved by the cheap-ass HMO's anyway....
so... looking for alternatives to injectibles if available and worth the money.
Fawn
Well, I know what GH is - just wondering if anyone's found something other than injectable GH that works almost as well. Besides being completely out of my wallet-range, I'm way too big of a wimp to go there.
i.e. - somatropin sprays, precursors, velvet antler, etc.
I know of half a dozen ways to increase it naturally, but having FMS and being over 35, I'm bound to be an underproducer anyway. They haven't approved medically supervised injections (which I might be able to handle) for FMS patients yet (though they are testing it), and it's likely not to be approved by the cheap-ass HMO's anyway....
so... looking for alternatives to injectibles if available and worth the money.
Fawn
CrystalChick
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Described in Rob Fagin's "Natural Hormone Enhancement" book - there are a couple of ways to optimize GH production by manipulating the timing of eating, sleeping and exercising...
i.e. - growth hormone's highest production is within first 90 minutes of sleep, so taking precursors before then (i.e. arginine/ornithine combo or even a small protein snack) helps, as well as not eating any carbohydrate foods before bed (technical explanations are in the book, which I haven't read for a long time, so I can't recall the exact reason why not).
Increasing the intensity of exercise during the first 20 minutes, not exercising longer than 40 minutes, exercising on an empty stomach (even resistance), NOT eating carbohydrate after exercise. He's got a couple of very good techiques for optimizing natural hormonal levels, though his info is more aimed at men than women. He goes into great depth - very informative book.
Fawn
i.e. - growth hormone's highest production is within first 90 minutes of sleep, so taking precursors before then (i.e. arginine/ornithine combo or even a small protein snack) helps, as well as not eating any carbohydrate foods before bed (technical explanations are in the book, which I haven't read for a long time, so I can't recall the exact reason why not).
Increasing the intensity of exercise during the first 20 minutes, not exercising longer than 40 minutes, exercising on an empty stomach (even resistance), NOT eating carbohydrate after exercise. He's got a couple of very good techiques for optimizing natural hormonal levels, though his info is more aimed at men than women. He goes into great depth - very informative book.
Fawn
fawnmarie said:
i am not familiar with FMS, however doctors do prescribe gh to patients that are deficient.. There are also "Life Extension" facilities that specialize in complete hormone replacement therapy. Anyone can qualify for this...
The ideas behind all the gh supplements on the market now- adays are to bascially stimulate your pituitary gland to produce more gh... Whether or not it truly works is left to be seen, but the concept is grand.
Honestly, my mother is using gh.. she is 57 and is a complete baby when it comes to needles... I helped her do her first shot and she realized she was being a wimp over nothing LOL I even got her the Norditropin that has the pen... It is similar to the cool click and is so easy to use.. great for kids too!!!
honestly, the slin pins are so damn sharp and small, you barely feel anything... So if you really feel gh will help you and you want to try it, don't let something like a little needle fear stop you... The benefits definitely outweigh the cons...
And i am sorry if i offended you before, it was not meant to be rude
i thought your statement was cute so i was trying to make light of it... That book you are talking about "Natural Hormone Enhancement" it is pretty cool actually, but like anything else, you must make a life adjustment in order to control "optimal" natural releasing times... it gets a bit tedious, but can be done...
-For example....The carbs before bed are great to produce gh, however if you are trying to get lean and burn fat, they are not the best thing to do prior to going to sleep.... Plus protein prior to bed helps for a better rest and to keep the body a bit more anabolic... so it gets tough to try to stimulate your natural production by carb manipulation...
but other than the possible "pro" gh on the market and real HRT gh, there are not too many options...
SG,
No - I wasn't offended.
Yes, I could probably track down a doctor willing to prescribe Gh, but my HMO won't cover it, so it's not affordable to me. (Unless you have some suggestions - hint, hint).
The standard AMA protocol for FMS is "aerobic exercise and elavil" - which doesn't work, and elavil just makes you fat.
They're TESTING GH for us, but since it isn't proven the HMO's won't cover it. Remember - these are the same companies that won't cover depo provera - even though it is the same price as BC pills per month, and a HELL of a lot cheaper than covering a labor and delivery room!
Anyway - Rob Fagin recommends NO carbs before bed. Insulin can actually lower GH levels - which is why one should workout on an empty stomach as well, because both hunger and intense exercise increases natural GH levels. I generally don't do carbs very often, even his twice a week carb load is a bit much for me, and I do better on one.
I have looked into the precursors as well as into the synthetic sprays, but just looking for other opinions and perspectives.
BTW - that is how the new "night time weightloss" products are supposed to work - they contain GH precursors, so apparently you are supposed to get increased GH which means more muscles, better metabolism, etc. Which is why they are to be taken before bed on an empty stomach - to take advantage of the 90 minute/empty stomach combination. My boyfriend uses the stuff, and I sometimes take a slug of it before lifting. It seems to work well for that.
so - if you have any advice about the easiest way to try out GH therapy, please do PM me. Perhaps it is easier than I suppose. Usually they are taking fluids out of me.
Fawn
No - I wasn't offended.
Yes, I could probably track down a doctor willing to prescribe Gh, but my HMO won't cover it, so it's not affordable to me. (Unless you have some suggestions - hint, hint).
The standard AMA protocol for FMS is "aerobic exercise and elavil" - which doesn't work, and elavil just makes you fat.
They're TESTING GH for us, but since it isn't proven the HMO's won't cover it. Remember - these are the same companies that won't cover depo provera - even though it is the same price as BC pills per month, and a HELL of a lot cheaper than covering a labor and delivery room!
Anyway - Rob Fagin recommends NO carbs before bed. Insulin can actually lower GH levels - which is why one should workout on an empty stomach as well, because both hunger and intense exercise increases natural GH levels. I generally don't do carbs very often, even his twice a week carb load is a bit much for me, and I do better on one.
I have looked into the precursors as well as into the synthetic sprays, but just looking for other opinions and perspectives.
BTW - that is how the new "night time weightloss" products are supposed to work - they contain GH precursors, so apparently you are supposed to get increased GH which means more muscles, better metabolism, etc. Which is why they are to be taken before bed on an empty stomach - to take advantage of the 90 minute/empty stomach combination. My boyfriend uses the stuff, and I sometimes take a slug of it before lifting. It seems to work well for that.
so - if you have any advice about the easiest way to try out GH therapy, please do PM me. Perhaps it is easier than I suppose. Usually they are taking fluids out of me.
Fawn
