Water consumption during a workout.............

[*Bunny*]

WI was referring to Sgt. Slaughter's post above referring to keeping his metabolism on fire!

to quote from the post...it's called keeping one's metabolism on FIRE

There does seem to be alot of this permeating the boards all over that somehow more frequent eating raises metabolism.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

^^ I understand what both of you are saying, yet still use that saying OFTEN as well ... "keep the fire burnin' ..." and will continue to use it b/c often people understand that analogy better ... esp. when I mean by adding smaller frequent meals to make ones metabolism more efficient ...

Sassy also uses a good analolgy about a *Ferrari* (half way down 1st post)

It is pleasant to here some indepth discussion on the matter. If I started spouting that to a newbie (re: you & G-Love aboue) I'd choke on the smoke s/he left from running so fast away from me I couldn't stand it ... as they hop back on the elliptical, back to the TV, and eating once a day on NOTHING ... commence binge later on in the week ...

 

[*Bunny*]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here come the studies to back up both points ...

Neverending

Thank gawd I don't see lab rats in there anywhere... poor things ...

 

[Lifterforlife]

Nice post....touche'...seems there is a study to counter a study in just about anything. I am in complete agreement with a diet such as this for insulin control, especially diabetics is in fact useful.

Wolfram G, Kirchgessner M, Muller HL, Hollomey S.

To a group of 8 healthy persons a slightly hypocaloric diet with protein (13% of energy), carbohydrates (46% of energy) and fat (41% of energy) was given as one meal or as five meals in a change-over trial. Each person was 2 weeks on each regimen. Under the conditions of slight undernutrition and neutral temperature the balances of nitrogen, carbon and energy were assessed in 7-day collection periods, and according to 48-hour measurements of gaseous exchange (carbon-nitrogen balance method) by the procedures of indirect calorimetry. Changes of body weight were statistically not significant. At isocaloric supply of metabolizable energy with exactly the same foods in different meal frequencies no differences were found in the retention of carbon and energy. Urinary nitrogen excretion was slightly greater with a single daily meal, indicating influences on protein metabolism. The protein-derived energy was compensated by a decrease in the fat oxidation. The heat production calculated by indirect calorimetry was not significantly different with either meal frequency. Water, sodium and potassium balances were not different. The plasma concentrations of cholesterol and uric acid were not influenced by meal frequency, glucose and triglycerides showed typical behaviour depending on the time interval to the last meal. The results demonstrate that the meal frequency did not influence the energy balance.

Meal frequency influences circulating hormone levels but not lipogenesis rates in humans.

 

[Ghede]

Association between eating patterns and obesity in a free-living US adult population.

Ma Y, Bertone ER, Stanek EJ 3rd, Reed GW, Hebert JR, Cohen NL, Merriam PA, Ockene IS.

Division of Preventive and Behavioral Medicine, University of Massachusetts Medical School, Worcester, MA 01655, USA. [email protected]

Some studies have suggested that eating patterns, which describe eating frequency, the temporal distribution of eating events across the day, breakfast skipping, and the frequency of eating meals away from home, may be related to obesity. Data from the Seasonal Variation of Blood Cholesterol Study (1994-1998) were used to evaluate the relation between eating patterns and obesity. Three 24-hour dietary recalls and a body weight measurement were collected at five equally spaced time points over a 1-year period from 499 participants. Data were averaged for five time periods, and a cross-sectional analysis was conducted. Odds ratios were adjusted for other obesity risk factors including age, sex, physical activity, and total energy intake. Results indicate that a greater number of eating episodes each day was associated with a lower risk of obesity (odds ratio for four or more eating episodes vs. three or fewer = 0.55, 95% confidence interval: 0.33, 0.91). In contrast, skipping breakfast was associated with increased prevalence of obesity (odds ratio = 4.5, 95% confidence interval: 1.57, 12.90), as was greater frequency of eating breakfast or dinner away from home.

Ok, so its not BMR adjustment, but eating more frequently is, as martha would attest a good thing.....

 

[Lifterforlife]

^^ I understand what both of you are saying, yet still use that saying OFTEN as well ... "keep the fire burnin' ..." and will continue to use it b/c often people understand that analogy better ... esp. when I mean by adding smaller frequent meals to make ones metabolism more efficient ...

Sassy also uses a good analolgy about a *Ferrari* (half way down 1st post)

It is pleasant to here some indepth discussion on the matter. If I started spouting that to a newbie (re: you & G-Love aboue) I'd choke on the smoke s/he left from running so fast away from me I couldn't stand it ... as they hop back on the elliptical, back to the TV, and eating once a day on NOTHING ... commence binge later on in the week ...

You make an excellent point bunny....that is why you are a good choice for a mod. Sometimes we have a tendency to get carried away with the "technical" end, which the average athlete could give a hoot about or care to even understand. Thanks for keeping me for one with that realization.

I should know this, being a mod on 2 other boards(ws 3, but gave one up), I sometimes get carried away with the studies and in depth, and get many reactions as to "what did he say?" Peace...just want to help.

 

[*Bunny*]

You make an excellent point bunny....that is why you are a good choice for a mod. Sometimes we have a tendency to get carried away with the "technical" end, which the average athlete could give a hoot about or care to even understand. Thanks for keeping me for one with that realization.

I should know this, being a mod on 2 other boards(ws 3, but gave one up), I sometimes get carried away with the studies and in depth, and get many reactions as to "what did he say?" Peace...just want to help.

Lifter, I LOVE.. LOVE your indepth detailed explanations & highly encourage them .. often ... not only does it encourge education but very thought provoking information .. which is what we need here ...

The K.I.S.S. method only goes SO FAR, then comes time when you keep climbing that ladder, the thirst for knowledge, always growing, always changing, neverending ...

You are respected here ... esp. by me ... Your comments thoughts, ideas & studies are more than welcome and I enjoy them, esp. when your EXPERIENCE comes into play moreso than any study you can ever quote ... I did not intend to come off as bitchy ... that is NOT me, and those that know me (even you, know that ) and really, thank YOU for being a part of this board & offering as much as you do.

 

[Sassy69]

Interesting thread! Love the real live study stuff -- but its sort of like in the Bible - you can both prove & disprove just about anything from the text... We're still learning things about the body and how it all works, so its damn hard to say w/ definitive knowledge what is what. The ongoing argument is what keeps the inquiries going until maybe we do find absolute proof, or gain at least gain more knowledge or open up new ways of asking questions in the process.

 

[TheOak84]

good stuff.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Lifter is Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccckkkkkkkkkkk, lol.

I love it... I feel as though i'm in a lecture hall discussion, it's GREAT!

Good stuff all around!

I think that was one of the greatest thread jackings ever... water consumption.... to metabolic rate

BUNNY! ... I have a saying about me relating to a ferrari, but i'll save that for another PM

 

[Lifterforlife]

Lifter, I LOVE.. LOVE your indepth detailed explanations & highly encourage them .. often ... not only does it encourge education but very thought provoking information .. which is what we need here ...

The K.I.S.S. method only goes SO FAR, then comes time when you keep climbing that ladder, the thirst for knowledge, always growing, always changing, neverending ...

You are respected here ... esp. by me ... Your comments thoughts, ideas & studies are more than welcome and I enjoy them, esp. when your EXPERIENCE comes into play moreso than any study you can ever quote ... I did not intend to come off as bitchy ... that is NOT me, and those that know me (even you, know that ) and really, thank YOU for being a part of this board & offering as much as you do.

Thanks Bunny....did not at all mean you were coming off as bitchy. Meant my post in sincerity.

I guess I can explain my stance on things like this...I have been in this game for well over 30 yrs. Have seen tons of "the latest and greatest" come and go. My goal is to try to educate the best I can.

The more I "learn", the more I realize what worked in the beginning still works. The more I revert back to what I learnd in my old black iron gym long before the days of the super gyms and tons of machines and cardio equipment.

Bodybuilders are notorious at micromanaging every little thing, we think if we are not miserable, it can't be working. Somehow our sport has turned into some kind of psuedo science. I think old man Vince Giranda when asked the best thing to build muscle replied simply...pick up heavy things, put them down, repeat.

Simply work out, eat, rest, repeat. Making yourself miserable with micromanaging is truly unecessary. Does it work? Sure it does. But despite all these supplement companies sponsoring supplements touting "break through your genetic potential", in reality we are all limited by this "X" factor. Metabolism(yes, there is a gene that determines metabolism, your genes are what in the end are what controls your metabolism in your cells), muscle gain, all of it has that wild card that we have to deal with. Everything you do "turns on" a gene. For example weight training turns on genes that signal protein syntheseis. Endurance training turns on genes that signal the body to make more mitochondria, increase aerobic energy enzymes. But even this has only a certain effect on these genes.


I am rambling here, but just want to say to be smart about things, there is no need to watch the clock for 1 minute past a scheduled meal and you will lose mass, or having a protein shake within 3.7 minutes of your workout or all gains will be nullified. The nonsense that goes around these boards and lack of common sense is what drives me.