Thinking of a cycle or 2

[rediculus]

Ok I'm not sure what statistics to put up.
6 foot 3 245 lbs if I do some really good cardio and make sure not to eat or drink before the gym..15% body fat I've worked out since I was a kid I'm 31 now live in so cal never done anything remotely pharmeceutical regarding suppplements. Primary goal is strength increase here is my major malfunction

I am trying to read and learn all I can from the site..I am figuring out what some of the slang or abbreviations mean but..really other than the prohormone post which I found AMAZING!!! I am still lost and I am not ready to jump into a cycle or 2 without some seriously sound advice. I've read some of the things a few of you like needto and aap have written (don't be offended if your knowledgeable name wasn't on the list I noticed I just write too much in my posts anyways)

I am a fairly easy gainer but fat loss not so much and I do have some plateau that is bugging me a little. First can someone give me an idea of the general terms that I don't know mean? eod ed EQ Test E and AAS I realize means something anabolic steroid? I think. I am leaning strangely for me towards injectibles..they seem cleaner from what I have read with lower toxicity and possibly few side effects?

Also the prohormones. Has anyone tried these as opposed to natural bodybuilding? At 245 lbs it's @#$#%ing rediculous to have 16 inch arms...and a 36 inch waist I am actually well i don't take my shirt off in public...if someone will post for me I have no issue posting up pictures. My general game plan is to start small but if ANYONE could post up a brief synopsis of the "slang" terms or even what keywords I should use in the search function to find out about winny uh I think finny is one Tren is another...Primo? Honestly I smoked that once it's a good cigar! No really help!!!!!!! Trying to put down all my thoughts at once so I don't waste too much time. HGH I understand there are side effects but disfiguring side effects and avoiding those? IGF-1 I hear is rediculously powerful and Only for the extremely advanced I assume? HGH and a prohormone is my first idea. once I get a fukton more info.

Thank you for any response.

p.s. is there a secret code word to get some of the people that are reading it to post up a tid bit of knowledge?

 

[PINTOBEAN]

eod=every other day, as in monday, wednesday, friday etc.

ed=every day as in every day mon,tues,wed etc.

EQ=brand name Equipoise, a drug used for horses chemical name Boldenone. It is not indicated for use in humans in the US and is only available through veterinary clinics. It has a long half-life and will show up for many months in a drug sample. It's effects are mainly anabolic and is known to increase RBC(red blood cells)by signalling the kidneys to produce EPO(erythropoiten).

Test E=refers to two things testosterone-the male hormone produced in the testes(balls,huevos, what is inside your srotum or sack) In the testes, testosterone is produced by the Leydig cells. E=refers to the ester which relates to rate of release upon injection in the body. For instance common esters are P=propionate, E=enanthate, there are many esters of testosterone, Phenylpropionate, Isocaproate, Decanoate. The fastest release testosterone is suspension(in water rather than oil, the other esters are caried by an oil medium=oil based), followed by Test P=(testosterone propionate) which has to injected eod=every other day, to the long acting esters which remain active for 5-15 days.

Speaking of esters and speed of drug delivery and length of drug action. There is also:it can not only be esterified, but it can also be alkylated (by Alkylation permits oral steroids, substitution of an ethyl or methyl group for the hydroxyl group). the so-called “17-aa” or alkylated family of androgens such as methyl testosterone, which can be taken up by the digestive tract, and so be easily administered in pill form.
This allows testosterone to be taken by pill form rather than injection. These are known as "orals".


sus=(or sust, or sustanon 250) refers to a product containing 4 testosterone esters, it was designed for HRT=(hormone replacement therapy) so that injections could be given every two weeks. It is used by body builders eod or every third day or weekly. Sus 250=refers to 250mg, 250 milligrams of testosterone per one mL, one millimeter. There are 30 mL to an ounce, 454 g/gram to a pound, or 28.375g to an ounce, 1000mg=1gm(gram), 100g/grams=1 pound.

AAS=anabolic steroid

You mention HGH=(human growth hormone)and "disfiguring side effects" - well all the steroids have side efects. All and any drug has side effects. Aspirin for example has side effects. Some of the side effects for aspirin are GI bleeds, seizures,Rey's syndrome in children,hemolytic anemia, tinnitus, hearing loss, hypoglycemia, hyponatremia-All drugs put into the body have side effects. Some side effects have to do with the person ie some people are allergic to drugs, foods-chemicals. Some people will go into an anaphylactic reaction from a peanut butter sandwich. Some side effects have to do with the amount, think one aspirin per day for most people =no problem. But some people will take 20-30 aspirin per day and their stomach lining is toast, they are bleeding to death. Some side effects have to do with contamination-this is of course a problem with all underground street drugs. Combine this with the fact that many steroids are injected. Injectible drugs must be absolutely sterile. An underground lab may use grape seed oil off the shelf, non sterile bottles/containers, water based products are well known for this problem of contamination. Then there are side effects from drug administration. A 1 1/2 needle placed in the butt, can easily penetrate the sciatic nerve- some problems are foot drop(think one sided weakness and loss of control in the foot resembling what is seen in a stroke, marked muscle wasting in effected leg, The degree of injury varies significantly, depending upon the specific agent injected. The most severe injuries have been associated with widespread axonal and myelin degeneration. Think paralysis and a useless unresponsive leg. Kinda hard to do those squats on one leg.
So yes "thinking of a cycle or two"- well you're doing the right thing you're thinking. Don't go beyond the thinking step-you are not ready. You better know what you're doing. I know guys in the gym won't take off their shirts, wanted to get big and pump and pose- they grew boobs, tits, breasts. Their waiting for surgery. And it's not covered by insurance, it's out of your pocket-$2500 per tit if you can find some one to do it. They wanted to grow-you know they sure did, they grew great big bizrre looking tits with their muscle. Sounds cool, doesn't it. How bout guys with abcesses from what? Bad injection tecnique, bad product, re-using needles- now they got MRSA-well let's just say thank God for Vancomycin.
Thinking of a cycle or two- You need to think of diet, nutrition, increasing your level of wok. Keep reading and asking questions.

Ok I'm not sure what statistics to put up.
6 foot 3 245 lbs if I do some really good cardio and make sure not to eat or drink before the gym..15% body fat I've worked out since I was a kid I'm 31 now live in so cal never done anything remotely pharmeceutical regarding suppplements. Primary goal is strength increase here is my major malfunction

I am trying to read and learn all I can from the site..I am figuring out what some of the slang or abbreviations mean but..really other than the prohormone post which I found AMAZING!!! I am still lost and I am not ready to jump into a cycle or 2 without some seriously sound advice. I've read some of the things a few of you like needto and aap have written (don't be offended if your knowledgeable name wasn't on the list I noticed I just write too much in my posts anyways)

I am a fairly easy gainer but fat loss not so much and I do have some plateau that is bugging me a little. First can someone give me an idea of the general terms that I don't know mean? eod ed EQ Test E and AAS I realize means something anabolic steroid? I think. I am leaning strangely for me towards injectibles..they seem cleaner from what I have read with lower toxicity and possibly few side effects?

Also the prohormones. Has anyone tried these as opposed to natural bodybuilding? At 245 lbs it's @#$#%ing rediculous to have 16 inch arms...and a 36 inch waist I am actually well i don't take my shirt off in public...if someone will post for me I have no issue posting up pictures. My general game plan is to start small but if ANYONE could post up a brief synopsis of the "slang" terms or even what keywords I should use in the search function to find out about winny uh I think finny is one Tren is another...Primo? Honestly I smoked that once it's a good cigar! No really help!!!!!!! Trying to put down all my thoughts at once so I don't waste too much time. HGH I understand there are side effects but disfiguring side effects and avoiding those? IGF-1 I hear is rediculously powerful and Only for the extremely advanced I assume? HGH and a prohormone is my first idea. once I get a fukton more info.

Thank you for any response.

 

[rediculus]

That's my plan for now. That answers most of my questions thank you for taking the time to type that up. I am quite sure and aware those questions seem ignorant/stupid and I have no problem with that. My diet actually is relatively good I am probably triple the daily requirement for protien. Carbs and calories probably not so much..Cheese is my kryptonite (especially on a home made lean half lb meat patty with some ranch but I'm odd) As far as injectibles I always assumed those were for more advanced users and perhaps what I am reading about them being "safer" than orals due to possible liver damage is incorrect.

Surprisingly enough my work out is fairly solid and currently I am planning on trying some of the prohormones prior to stepping up to anything bigger if I even do step up to AAS.

I realize 15 percent body fat isn't horrifically fat I just prefer single digit BF and arms/chest waist proportions that are a little more athletic.

A couple other questions...The supplements like Lipoflame, Prohormones and other diet products has anyone had experience with these as compared to your much more commercial brand hydroxycut etc? And can anyone give an example of what kind of changes a person would expect in strength and Bodyfat over a time period by including Pro's or AAS?

I'll get back to google searching the information I am trying to figure out.

Thank you VERY Much for your response. Yes it clears a few things up sort of... I am more curious about how to avoid the abdominal distentia of HGH and other more severe side effects. (OTHER Than not taking it......)

 

[the elite addict]

eod=every other day, as in monday, wednesday, friday etc.

ed=every day as in every day mon,tues,wed etc.

EQ=brand name Equipoise, a drug used for horses chemical name Boldenone. It is not indicated for use in humans in the US and is only available through veterinary clinics. It has a long half-life and will show up for many months in a drug sample. It's effects are mainly anabolic and is known to increase RBC(red blood cells)by signalling the kidneys to produce EPO(erythropoiten).

Test E=refers to two things testosterone-the male hormone produced in the testes(balls,huevos, what is inside your srotum or sack) In the testes, testosterone is produced by the Leydig cells. E=refers to the ester which relates to rate of release upon injection in the body. For instance common esters are P=propionate, E=enanthate, there are many esters of testosterone, Phenylpropionate, Isocaproate, Decanoate. The fastest release testosterone is suspension(in water rather than oil, the other esters are caried by an oil medium=oil based), followed by Test P=(testosterone propionate) which has to injected eod=every other day, to the long acting esters which remain active for 5-15 days.

Speaking of esters and speed of drug delivery and length of drug action. There is also:it can not only be esterified, but it can also be alkylated (by Alkylation permits oral steroids, substitution of an ethyl or methyl group for the hydroxyl group). the so-called “17-aa” or alkylated family of androgens such as methyl testosterone, which can be taken up by the digestive tract, and so be easily administered in pill form.
This allows testosterone to be taken by pill form rather than injection. These are known as "orals".


sus=(or sust, or sustanon 250) refers to a product containing 4 testosterone esters, it was designed for HRT=(hormone replacement therapy) so that injections could be given every two weeks. It is used by body builders eod or every third day or weekly. Sus 250=refers to 250mg, 250 milligrams of testosterone per one mL, one millimeter. There are 30 mL to an ounce, 454 g/gram to a pound, or 28.375g to an ounce, 1000mg=1gm(gram), 100g/grams=1 pound.

AAS=anabolic steroid

You mention HGH=(human growth hormone)and "disfiguring side effects" - well all the steroids have side efects. All and any drug has side effects. Aspirin for example has side effects. Some of the side effects for aspirin are GI bleeds, seizures,Rey's syndrome in children,hemolytic anemia, tinnitus, hearing loss, hypoglycemia, hyponatremia-All drugs put into the body have side effects. Some side effects have to do with the person ie some people are allergic to drugs, foods-chemicals. Some people will go into an anaphylactic reaction from a peanut butter sandwich. Some side effects have to do with the amount, think one aspirin per day for most people =no problem. But some people will take 20-30 aspirin per day and their stomach lining is toast, they are bleeding to death. Some side effects have to do with contamination-this is of course a problem with all underground street drugs. Combine this with the fact that many steroids are injected. Injectible drugs must be absolutely sterile. An underground lab may use grape seed oil off the shelf, non sterile bottles/containers, water based products are well known for this problem of contamination. Then there are side effects from drug administration. A 1 1/2 needle placed in the butt, can easily penetrate the sciatic nerve- some problems are foot drop(think one sided weakness and loss of control in the foot resembling what is seen in a stroke, marked muscle wasting in effected leg, The degree of injury varies significantly, depending upon the specific agent injected. The most severe injuries have been associated with widespread axonal and myelin degeneration. Think paralysis and a useless unresponsive leg. Kinda hard to do those squats on one leg.
So yes "thinking of a cycle or two"- well you're doing the right thing you're thinking. Don't go beyond the thinking step-you are not ready. You better know what you're doing. I know guys in the gym won't take off their shirts, wanted to get big and pump and pose- they grew boobs, tits, breasts. Their waiting for surgery. And it's not covered by insurance, it's out of your pocket-$2500 per tit if you can find some one to do it. They wanted to grow-you know they sure did, they grew great big bizrre looking tits with their muscle. Sounds cool, doesn't it. How bout guys with abcesses from what? Bad injection tecnique, bad product, re-using needles- now they got MRSA-well let's just say thank God for Vancomycin.
Thinking of a cycle or two- You need to think of diet, nutrition, increasing your level of wok. Keep reading and asking questions.

great post pinto

 

[rediculus]

It's an awesome post...A post like that stickied with a running update of terms and definitions commonly used for n00bs!! That would be legendary. Also my diet (never perfect I know) and you said wok? I assume you don't mean the cooking pan..

A few other questions if anyone has an answer. Genetically and naturally at 31 I still have mild back acne always have. This made me think one day that perhaps my testosterone levels are higher or lower than should be for my size. How many "recreational" users have full hormone profiles done before initiating a cycle? As I mentioned I am certainly not going pro ever and right now I am fairly certain I'll stick to the monsterdrol otc nutrition but even with that. A how do you counter mpb risks if at all?

Alot o claims that the new prohormones are as effective as thier prescription counter parts. Anyone know how legitimate this is? I apologize if I am asking questions that have been asked a hundred times before. At what point realistically should I say "I am getting good results no need to increase dosage" I understand that's a personal level however some people are REALLY Impatient and might keep doubling up when it's not necessary. I'd rather take less and gain naturally more so I lose less.

 

[PINTOBEAN]

Hey cool, glad it made sense. I'm sure you'll do fine. Sounds like you are moving in the right direction.

 

[kidd73]

It's an awesome post...A post like that stickied with a running update of terms and definitions commonly used for n00bs!! That would be legendary. Also my diet (never perfect I know) and you said wok? I assume you don't mean the cooking pan..

A few other questions if anyone has an answer. Genetically and naturally at 31 I still have mild back acne always have. This made me think one day that perhaps my testosterone levels are higher or lower than should be for my size. How many "recreational" users have full hormone profiles done before initiating a cycle? As I mentioned I am certainly not going pro ever and right now I am fairly certain I'll stick to the monsterdrol otc nutrition but even with that. A how do you counter mpb risks if at all?

Alot o claims that the new prohormones are as effective as thier prescription counter parts. Anyone know how legitimate this is? I apologize if I am asking questions that have been asked a hundred times before. At what point realistically should I say "I am getting good results no need to increase dosage" I understand that's a personal level however some people are REALLY Impatient and might keep doubling up when it's not necessary. I'd rather take less and gain naturally more so I lose less.

Keep reading...you're doing good. Remember that AAS is NOT a magic bullet. Just ask some of the bros here and they will tell you. If you don't eat clean, train hard, and map out a plan you're throwing away money & risking side effects for notta. From what you have said so far, I suggest you look at some of the banners many good bros have on their posts.
Dermacrine (Primordial Performance) is awesome and will give you a boost. PP is (maybe was) running a special on a fat burner stack right now that may help you lower your bf% (plus watch your diet).
Omega (AGX sports) also has some good supplements that could help you.

Stick around a little bit & when you're ready for your 1st cycle you're in the right place my friend.

 

[rediculus]

Thanks it'll be awhile not to bore people and my mistake is I usually don't slow down on questions. I've actually been going over PP's website thoroughly and Just Add Muscle put up a post that is incredibly interesting. I just am not sure if I could possibly notice a difference from say a "spray?" like Dermacrine with the Lipostack or something along those lines?


I figure Tuna Salmon Chicken and protien shakes with an occasional peanut butter and jelly sandwhich to keep me happy is going to give me about the same gains?

Cutting the cheese out of my diet is really killin me. Is there any feedback on strength gains with the products that supposedly do more with your natty Test like dermacrine and I think unleashed? Also the cortisol blockers...(I'm wrong there I need to get back to google before figuring out which blockers might help pre cycle prep) And the products that get your body producing more natural GH?

 

[the small soldier]

I think That maybe all these extra drugs like cortisol blockers may just be a waste of money. There are many natural,l food-based remedies for lowering cortisol and promoting testosterone and keep estrogen down. I think a good diet is paramount to taking extra drugs. I believe you should only take drugs on a need-to basis.

 

[rediculus]

Any Feedback on the natural products that Primordial offers? And the OTC Counters that Just add muscle offers? Or are those both to be taken as seriously as AAS?