Soreness dilemma.

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS, there is apparently no end to your theories is there? Christ, I'm still waiting to see you back up your theories with some evidence, say a pic, to show us what they have accomplished on your physique?

If 1x per week per body part is not enough, then explain why that is the way that I have made all of my gains, size and strength. I'm not high on myself but this 1x per week training has given me a very advanced physique with pics on here to prove it, and even though I'm not a powerlifter, this training has allowed me to hit lifts big enough to compete as one.

Show us what your theories have done for you...........

I really hate to give out good info away, but here it goes.

The reason why it is good to train more often is that you can add more weight in a week.

If you train 1x per week than you might add only 1X every workout.
If you train 2x per week, then you could add 1x each workjout total 2X!

2x might not see as much. But by the end of a year it WILL add up.

One of the best guys who train for olympic lifts train up to like 20 times per week.
Now ofcourse that is an extreme, but it is just here to illustrate a point.

Dont lift 20 times per bodypart per week. But hit atleast 2x....

 

[aurelius]

Alex: you´re dead wrong on the 3 sets over 1 set theory.

http://www.cbass.com/newevide.htm

go here.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Alex: you´re dead wrong on the 3 sets over 1 set theory.

http://www.cbass.com/newevide.htm

go here.

There are many research done on this issue. Its fact 3 sets is much better than 1.

People like to say that "1 signal is enough" . Well, what if weather is bad or environmental whateever disrupts it? Further more, muscle grows in DIRECT correlation to stress. More stress is better. More sets also condition nervous system more allowing you take handle more stress, and thus it is easier for you to recuperate.

There are 2 ways to grow muscle, and for max size BOTH needs to be used.

1st) More strength. Now 1 set may be enough for strength, BUT why do it each week? Why not do it more often to have MORE strength quicker.

2nd) VOLUME. There is irrational hypertrophy (sarcoplasmic) . For that to happen ypui must have volume, you must fatigue your muscle. And no, you young Menzters, 1 set never could and never will fatique/pump your muscles enough. Yes you could take those purple dumbells, you have a fatigue and you have a pump from set of 100 reps... But you dont have sufficient tension.

10-20 sets of 5 reps will give you a pump, fatigue, and most important TENSION.


As you see HIT misses the muscle growth fence by atleast 20 yards!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Alex: you´re dead wrong on the 3 sets over 1 set theory.

http://www.cbass.com/newevide.htm

go here.

Sorry man. I just have to say this

Read teh article again. It says 3 times per week!!!! Not once per week. Now 3 sets 3 times per week could have been too hard for some to handle at this point. That is why those results were the same.

That article doesnt say that 1 is better then three. Those people either went to failure or weren't conditioned enough to tolerate 3 sets. That article doesnt break 3 better than 1 fact.

 

[Belial]

Yes you could take those purple dumbells, you have a fatigue and you have a pump from set of 100 reps... But you dont have sufficient tension.

But if you did 100 reps, that would mean that overall you're stronger than a powerlifter doing 98 times the weight of that purple dumbbell for a single!

 

[SSAlexSS]

But if you did 100 reps, that would mean that overall you're stronger than a powerlifter doing 98 times the weight of that purple dumbbell for a single!

No. It would take you some time to finish that "set", in which time anyone could have done couple strong sets and beat.


ANd this has NOTHING to do with what I am talking here. Dont enter this crapensation.

 

[SSAlexSS]

It's ridiculous, 1 set it's what you nedd to grow, and everbody can prove this, go to the gym and do it.
But, do correctly, read a lot of heavy duty, and high intensity tranning, than after go to the gym, and see the results.

WHA???

Go to any good powerlifting gym and see how people train there. Lots of sets, few reps, never going to failure and GOOD phisiques!

 

[Belial]

I know it has nothing to do with it, I'm just laughing at you.


I think you're ignoring the single most important part of training: Individual responses to training stimulus. There are SO many variables, every trainee is different. Some can grow working out almost every day of the week. Some people are bordering on overtraining hitting the gym hard THREE times a week. Arnold had unbelievable recovery (and a good amount of sauce, no doubt), so he could do 2-a-days. Olympic weightlifters do NOT train for 45-50 minutes to failure. They do a lot of submaximal work, training strictly for technique, practicing with very light weights, etc. They are NOT trying to hit PRs 20 times a week, they would simply collapse. They're also not training for hypertrophy.

I don't believe in 1 set to failure, but I believe that you can progress very well training each body part once a week. I may not be as strong as needsize, but I've also made pretty damn good gains since I wised up and lowered my volume.

 

[SSAlexSS]

mentzer is a lunatic?

you make me laugh, arthur jones, mentzer, and some other show the best way to build muscles.

The reason Arthur jones talked about 1 set crapple is this:


1 set takes less time and effort and thus MORE people could do it. Some people are intimidated by the volume so they dont go to the gym.

Arthur needed money to pay for his highly expensive nautilus equipment. If everyone did 1 set, you could fit in more customers to the equipment!!

We live in CAPITALISM ! this stuff makes money, so those people do it. Guys who have money in something DONT care if you improve or not, all matters if their wallet becomes larger.


Look at Enron.

'nuff said.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I know it has nothing to do with it, I'm just laughing at you.


I think you're ignoring the single most important part of training: Individual responses to training stimulus. There are SO many variables, every trainee is different. Some can grow working out almost every day of the week. Some people are bordering on overtraining hitting the gym hard THREE times a week. Arnold had unbelievable recovery (and a good amount of sauce, no doubt), so he could do 2-a-days. Olympic weightlifters do NOT train for 45-50 minutes to failure. They do a lot of submaximal work, training strictly for technique, practicing with very light weights, etc. They are NOT trying to hit PRs 20 times a week, they would simply collapse. They're also not training for hypertrophy.

I don't believe in 1 set to failure, but I believe that you can progress very well training each body part once a week. I may not be as strong as needsize, but I've also made pretty damn good gains since I wised up and lowered my volume.

Well. I beleive that since you can improve your muscle strength/size you can improve your recovery abilities as well.


yes you can progress well training once per week, but there might and probably are better things. What I find is that many HIT people just dont train to the max. It could be wse for them to swith to more frequent trainign anyways.

Anyways since I am basing from my personal observations I might be wrong. Howeever I found that 2-3 times per week has worked cool for me, for now atleast... I surpised myself with myh deadlifitng increase by trasining more often.... Who knows...
And I usually always have been training too little (2x days per week, each muscle 1x per week)


EVeryone! Keep working and keep increasing volume (to reasonable amounts though).