HCG use on Cycle Controversy

[Texas Monster]

So I been reading around and there seems to be very conflicting Ideas on HCG use during Cycle.

Some say to run 500iu a week during heavy cycles. Others say that running 500iu a week will prevent you from being able to run an hcg blast at the end.. Others say to run HCGenerate during then HCG right before PCT.

What is the reasoning behind this. Some studies show that small doses of hcg of 250 iu are not even near high enough to produce desensitization of LH receptors in the gonads. Tests have been done to show that even a male taking a shot of 6000 iu still did not produce LH desensitization.

And that is what we are trying to avoid correct? The desensitization of LH receptors in the Testes? So If small doses of 250 iu x 2 a week or spaced every 4 days apart wont desensitize LH receptors how come people have the notion to not run HCG on cycle or if you run it on cycle you will not be able to do a blast at the end of say 1000 iu ed or 2000 iu eod and have it not be effective to restore ITT levels even though at small doses as such ITT levels can still be sustained.

Just Wondering because I been doing my research going into my next cycle and focusing on the recovery portion this time.

 

[25homes]

Id run 500iu twice week during cycle blast first two Weeks of pct and run post cycle hcgenerate unleashed and forma..maybe low dose clomid

 

[Texas Monster]

That is the protocol I see a lot but how long can you run at 500-1000 iu a week for? There seems to be some debate on this topic as well.

 

[Jamesm11]

I've seen people run it the entire cycle. Some run last 4 weeks. Some don't use it. It's one of those things that there's so much different schools of thought on.

All I know is don't run it during PCT.

 

[stevesmi]

you essentially want to start running hcg or hcgenerate when your nuts start shrinking. yes you are right its not gonna keep your LH high during cycle. HOWEVER the point is you don't want to go into pct with raisin nuts.. it makes a huge difference in recovery to go into pct with PLUMP nuts. trust me on this through plenty of experience its true.

so lets say you run a 12 week cycle on a long ester. around week 4 or 5 is when your nuts will start to shrink.. you want to start it then. keep them plump the whole way.. i tell guys no need to run from week 1 and to save their money, although it can't hurt.. but i want to save guys money.

your best bet to answer your own question is EXPERIENCE of trying it yourself and also the experience of other guys who respond in this thread. so i can tell you since i started running hcgenerate once my nuts started shrinking and then used hcg + hmg to kickstart pct. that my recovery has been so much faster. it really makes a difference.

you also don't want to go into pct with sky high estrogen, progesterone, prolactin and other hormone imbalances. this will delay recovery.. hence you should be covering all bases DURING CYCLE. don't just do the old style nolva/clomid pct and think you are gonna have a smooth recovery.

 

[Texas Monster]

But I have seen guys that want to run it the entire cycle and get flamed on these boards for it and insist that you can not do that. Is there any reasoning behind this?

 

[Texas Monster]

I started to run HCG midway through my deca cycle and I can honestly say that it is the only thing that saved me and allowed me to recover as quick as I did.

 

[dubbzero]

I did a 12 week cycle of prop var and tren started hcg at week 3 500 a week and at week 9 bumped it to 600 a week split into 3 shots.... Halfway through my pct now and man it's been so smooth thanks to hcg. No shrinkage of the nuts. Also my entire cycle I was still shooting huge loads. My last cycle I had raisin nuts and no loads.... So yeah hcg is a total game changer.

 

[joeblow12345]

Me personally I run it at the end of cycle going into pct. This is the way that works best for me. I dont get alot of atrophy on cycle. Even at this moment Im 12 weeks into my cycle and my nuts are still going strong and I havent used any hcg yet. I will start my hcg around week 20 when Im about 2 weeks left on cycle. Find what works for you and stick with it.

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[themondtster]

Read for optimum use shouldnt be used for more than 4 weeks in a row. So could you run mid cycle for 4 weeks to plump up then blast last two weeks before PCT?