Nope, i just did a Tbol solo cycle.. And I was even telling need2 how that didnt do shit for me. My supps and diet were on point. He said maybe I got a bad batch. Whatever, it didn't do anything. But once I added forma after a week I noticed it. My diet didn't change. Now I'm just doing 3 pumps. And within a few days I filled back out again. Hell I'm even carb cycling and I'm good as far as being filled out.