Curious about EFA's

[it stars sAddam]

Well tomorrow is the big day I plan on starting bulking, and really getting the necessities worked into my diet. I was curious about the amount of EFA's to take daily. I have ANPB, flax, fish, and olive oils all readily available, I just dont know how much to consume daily. Any feedback is appreciated.

 

[~SC~]

How many to take will be indicative of what your diet looks like. I am sure if you post what you are proposing, that would yield more responses.

Post up!

~SC~

 

[MrMakaveli]

6+g of Fish oil works wonders for keeping fat-gain low..however there are concerns about using it when bulking for various effects on some of the body's systems and making muscle gain difficult.

 

[anthrax]

6+g of Fish oil works wonders for keeping fat-gain low..however there are concerns about using it when bulking for various effects on some of the body's systems and making muscle gain difficult.

Can you be more specific, pls ?

 

[MrMakaveli]

Fish oil is a PPAR-Alpha antagonist which has been shown to be anti-anabolic (but good for fat-loss, which is why fish oil when dieting helps, increased beta-oxidation of fatty acids).

Give me a bit and I'll post up some sutdies.

Offhand, Fish oil can also raise PGE-2 synthesis (Through increased AA in cells) which isnt anabolic either. <--Partially retracting this statement. I've seen studies showing EPA can raise AA and fish oil can also lower it which is rather confusing me right now.

 

[anthrax]

Fish oil is a PPAR-Alpha antagonist which has been shown to be anti-anabolic (but good for fat-loss, which is why fish oil when dieting helps, increased beta-oxidation of fatty acids).

Give me a bit and I'll post up some sutdies.

Offhand, Fish oil can also raise PGE-2 synthesis (Through increased AA in cells) which isnt anabolic either.

Too bad

But what's wrong in fish oil ?
EPA/DHA ?
or some specific compounds that are not present in other omega 3s sources (like flax seed oil) ?

 

[MrMakaveli]

Too bad

But what's wrong in fish oil ?
EPA/DHA ?
or some specific compounds that are not present in other omega 3s sources (like flax seed oil) ?

I'm going to attempt this but truthfully my knowledge on PPAR-Alpha and all related systems is just begining to form. So dont take anything I say as being horribly accurate at this point.


From what I can gather.

Lineolic Acid (Main constitute of flax) converts to EPA through enzyme reactions in very small amounts. EPA *may* be what results in PPAR-Alpha induced fat-loss explanxing why flax (while helping fat loss) does not do so in the same way as Fish oils.

Note: Inhibitory effect on muscle gains seems very dose dependant so play around with it. ~3 grams per day is also good.

 

[anthrax]

Lineolic Acid (Main constitute of flax) converts to EPA through enzyme reactions in very small amounts. EPA *may* be what results in PPAR-Alpha induced fat-loss explanxing why flax (while helping fat loss) does not do so in the same way as Fish oils.

On the other side there is something with flax being a slight uncoupler of
oxidative phosphorylation, though I have not found any study about it yet

 

[MrMakaveli]

On the other side there is something with flax being a slight uncoupler of
oxidative phosphorylation, though I have not found any study about it yet

Exact thing I'm looking for a study for. Asked Mr. X about it and he posted 40 some odd studies but I havent had a chance to go through them all yet. Search under my name and you can find them.

 

[ProtienFiend]

now... fish oils have omega 3's right... just like canola and flax oil ?

what does olive oil have..? im guessing 6's