Complete cycle and diet revampation! THanks bros!

[JKurz1]

How about something like this: on PM traing days and cardio only

500am cardio 3xweek only, else still sleeping

630
1 tuna sandwhich on wheat, soop whey, 1/2 cup oats

930
1 whole egg scrabled, egg whites to fill 1 cup
1/2 - 3/4 cup oats
1 scoop whey
250g of cottage cheese with 1/2 apple

noon
1/2 lb ground beef
1 c brown rice
2c of green vegies

230
1/2 cup oats, , 250g of cottage cheese, tb peanut butter, scoop of whey

430 TRAIN

600
(post workout)
40g protein with at least 40g of dextrose

700
??? Yam? and 6oz chicken OR tuna sandwhich
large salad,

845
l250g of cottage cheese, MRP (myoplex/metrx w/ a banana) 3-4 handfulls of nuts.............OR a Peanut butter and banana sandwhich on wheat????

 

[casualbb]

Dude... calories calories calories

You don't have to eat like a farmer to put on good mass. If you're a natural ecto and starting at low BF... just BULK. Eat a lot of protein, eat a lot of everything

 

[JKurz1]

thanks

 

[Judo Tom]

i would not start a bulking cycle planning cardio on an empty stomach 3x a week.

i thought you had a post where you were gonna eat carbs before the workout? they are probably more important than taking it postworkout

add more cals to the 630 meal (olive oil/eggs) something

take your weight and multiply by 22 shoot for that many cals adjust as your weight goes up..

dont measure you bf for a few weeks.. the scale is gonna jump cause of water weight/nutrient loading dont mistake this for fat or muscle..

eat eat eat

 

[JKurz1]

i would not start a bulking cycle planning cardio on an empty stomach 3x a week.

i thought you had a post where you were gonna eat carbs before the workout? they are probably more important than taking it postworkout

add more cals to the 630 meal (olive oil/eggs) something

take your weight and multiply by 22 shoot for that many cals adjust as your weight goes up..

dont measure you bf for a few weeks.. the scale is gonna jump cause of water weight/nutrient loading dont mistake this for fat or muscle..

eat eat eat

Thanks bro...You are exactly right....I am going to take in gatorade with my whey when I train at 430am.....when I train at 430pm, I have a meal w/ crbs 1.5 hours prior......then carbs immidiately after......I'll figure out the cals tomorrow, got a ballpark estimate? My plan was to do cardio but just crank the calories........I think weight loss and gain is 99% diet anyways.....what do you think?

 

[JKurz1]

2 questions....what do you guys feel the deal with fruit (bananas in general) before bed, as in a ANPB sandwhich on wheat are? Fruit in general?

Also, would in be benefitital to run the tren and prop longer and more towards the end to harden up, or a waste?

 

[Judo Tom]

Thanks bro...You are exactly right....I am going to take in gatorade with my whey when I train at 430am.....when I train at 430pm, I have a meal w/ crbs 1.5 hours prior......then carbs immidiately after......I'll figure out the cals tomorrow, got a ballpark estimate? My plan was to do cardio but just crank the calories........I think weight loss and gain is 99% diet anyways.....what do you think?

diet is key. you obviously know how to cut and stay lean but know you have to experiment with a bulking plan.. i think your cycle is good.. ill assume your training is good so that leaves dieting for bulk and you have to be willing to change things and experiment to get the best results.

you might puke on leg days ifyou train eraly and drink gatorade... who knows
cardio at 5 my zap to much of your energy during some of the pm sessions? you might need 25-28 cals per lb of body weight (you are lean)

i think so long as you keep a log and are willing to change things as you go and dont mind a bit of bloat and a bit of fat you will be happy.

good luck

 

[Judo Tom]

2 questions....what do you guys feel the deal with fruit (bananas in general) before bed, as in a ANPB sandwhich on wheat are? Fruit in general?

Also, would in be benefitital to run the tren and prop longer and more towards the end to harden up, or a waste?

i hate ending cycles with tren hate it til no end.. if i have tren in a cycle i make sure i run test for 6 weeks with nothing else to help recovery.. everyone is different but thats what works for me..

fructose is not that bad especially mixed with the PB and the wheat. the insulin response from carbs is greatly reduced/extended when combined with other carbs(yep not just fat/protein)
fructose also goes to replinish liver glycogen which is beneficial at nite
wheat bread is low GI
pb has good fats
maybe add a bit of protein(egg/milk)

 

[JKurz1]

i hate ending cycles with tren hate it til no end.. if i have tren in a cycle i make sure i run test for 6 weeks with nothing else to help recovery.. everyone is different but thats what works for me..

fructose is not that bad especially mixed with the PB and the wheat. the insulin response from carbs is greatly reduced/extended when combined with other carbs(yep not just fat/protein)
fructose also goes to replinish liver glycogen which is beneficial at nite
wheat bread is low GI
pb has good fats
maybe add a bit of protein(egg/milk)

BINGO! THANKS..........i WILL KEEP this thread as a journal, please post critisms where you think it's necessary to make a change.

So if I train at 430pm, shake at 530pm and bed is by 9pm, how would you finagle my diet?

630 - 6oz yam, 6oz chicken, green beans
830 - 1 cup skim, 3-4 handfulls of peanut butter, 250g of cottage cheese

is what I had last night - could I toss in a ANPB and banana with no ill effects?

What I decided to do was keep the cardio in the am (for sanity), but reduce it to a 20minute HIIT session on the elliptical. 30 second sprints with increasing resistance.......instead of my normal 35 minute of 65-75% max HR cardio..........then, with the increase in calories, hopefully I will see results, if not, I know I need to cut down the cardio....thoughts?

 

[JKurz1]

Tuesday Pearl Harbor Day (12-7-04)
430 - 25 Minute Cardio (20minute Hiit On Elliptical)
600 - 1/2 Cup Oats, 1 Tuna Sandwhich On Whole Wheat, 1 Scoop Of Whey
900 - 3/4 Cup Oats, 250g Of Cottage Cheese, 1tb Of Anpb, 1 Cup Of Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Whey, 1 Cup Of Skim In Coffee\
NOON - 4OZ Chicken, 4oz beef, 1 cup rice and beans, 2-3 cups veggies, salad

THis is what I've had thus far............next meal is slated for 230 with training at 430...........was thinking about 1/2cup oats, 250g cottage cheese, 1tb of peanut butter, 1 scoop of whey.....should I add in a ANPB and banana sandwhich......also, what should I do postworkout - after my shake, before bed?