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I agree that newbs should not being running cycles like that, but vets know what they're partaking.
Why do people take such high dose of juice????? MUST READ!!!!
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Backtobasicks
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250 at 10%, as you said bro, is a loss of 8% for you. Which is 20~ pounds. Of pure fat. Brings you to 210 ish, then you gotta 40 lbs of pure muscle without an ounce of fat gain.. That's a big jump for even a few cycles bro... Especially on simple test. Uncomfortable and pretty hard to maintain for a few people I'd assume..
Not ripping on, but that's not a good standard bro, some olympias are not that heavy at peak hahaha
RADAR
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i usually run only run 2 -3 compounds at the most,if you train like a mad man you can blow those extreme juicers outta the water, providing rest and diet is on par!
Train with me i'll have you crawling out of the gym.
and yes i use way below the amount of gear alot of people use, it's a boost,don't rely on it to totally give you an edge because you will be severely disappointed.
Train with me i'll have you crawling out of the gym.
and yes i use way below the amount of gear alot of people use, it's a boost,don't rely on it to totally give you an edge because you will be severely disappointed.
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the higher the dosage the more sides. if you have a lot of sides then it becomes more difficult to train. there is no denying this nugget.
I love low dose cycles, the sides don't get in the way of my training. most of my gains are done off cycle anyway, i just use cycles to push myself over strength barriers.. the biggest cycle i ever ran was around 1100 per week of juice.. it was a tren/mast/test cycle. and i didn't stay at 1100 for long either.
the reason people run high dosages is they want results overnight, instead of being patient and understanding it takes many small cycles to achieve your goals. I work hard for my money to spend it on 3 grams of roids a week when i can run a quarter of that, save my money on quality food, and make steady and consistent gains
i just started a very light cycle. 500 test a week with 200 mast. small enough to limit sides, but also enough to give me a slight boost this winter..
gains are made in the weightroom and on the kitchen table.. you can take 5 grams of roids and if you sit on your ass all day eating potato chips, beer, and twinkies you will still look like shit
I love low dose cycles, the sides don't get in the way of my training. most of my gains are done off cycle anyway, i just use cycles to push myself over strength barriers.. the biggest cycle i ever ran was around 1100 per week of juice.. it was a tren/mast/test cycle. and i didn't stay at 1100 for long either.
the reason people run high dosages is they want results overnight, instead of being patient and understanding it takes many small cycles to achieve your goals. I work hard for my money to spend it on 3 grams of roids a week when i can run a quarter of that, save my money on quality food, and make steady and consistent gains
i just started a very light cycle. 500 test a week with 200 mast. small enough to limit sides, but also enough to give me a slight boost this winter..
gains are made in the weightroom and on the kitchen table.. you can take 5 grams of roids and if you sit on your ass all day eating potato chips, beer, and twinkies you will still look like shit
Backtobasicks
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Boom! Well said haha. It's like supplements, it's performance enhancing, not replaces or does for you.
On that note I think I'm going to go back over your workout you posted up radar! Haha.
ConanX
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The reasoning is the typical bodybuilder mentality.
"If 500mg gave me these results, if I add another 200mg it would make it even better."
"Well I'm using 2cc's out of a 3cc syringe. Might as well not waste the syringe, I'll just fill it up the full 3cc"
"The pros are using like 4000mg of Test so I'm only using a quarter!"
"It's week 3 of my cycle and I only put on 4 pounds. I gotta add more juice so I can grow quicker"
Or if you are competing then you need to use every trick in the AAS book because your competition is doing whatever you are doing but more.
Also, some guys just limit themselves but for those who have maybe tried to go with a bit higher doses...they love the results and can see the difference going from 500mg to 800+. So for them a 500mg cycle is now weak. Slippery slope.
"If 500mg gave me these results, if I add another 200mg it would make it even better."
"Well I'm using 2cc's out of a 3cc syringe. Might as well not waste the syringe, I'll just fill it up the full 3cc"
"The pros are using like 4000mg of Test so I'm only using a quarter!"
"It's week 3 of my cycle and I only put on 4 pounds. I gotta add more juice so I can grow quicker"
Or if you are competing then you need to use every trick in the AAS book because your competition is doing whatever you are doing but more.
Also, some guys just limit themselves but for those who have maybe tried to go with a bit higher doses...they love the results and can see the difference going from 500mg to 800+. So for them a 500mg cycle is now weak. Slippery slope.
I really do believe that the body adjusts to AAS. if you start going heavy with doses, you will have to keep going heavy unless you take a long time off. maybe the whole burned anabolic receptors is broscience, i dunno. but i will say my first ever cycle hit me HARD. it was 500 a week of sustanon and i swear it hit me like a thunderbolt.. i was jumping out of bed screaming at 5:30am and going to the gym and throwing weights around.. had raging appetite, raging horniess, felt like i was king of the world and unstoppable. was it fresh receptors? whatever you want to call it it was obvious 500mg of test a week gave my body an incredible shot... i haven't felt like that since my first cycle when i've run a cycle, haven't felt the thunderbolt.. my point is 500mg was ample, and that my body has changed since then and doesn't react the same.
In addition to the possibility of "fresh receptors" and such...isnt there also the chance that if you start young, and you are not being careful and precise with PCTs and doing constant labs, that over time you are slowly lowering your own baseline Test levels? If thats the case and folks are experimenting with roids and not being careful about PCT and time off between cycles (which when I was younger and guys I knew playing football who juiced, did it haphazardly as hell, whatever they could get they would shoot up or pop and train hard and then come off without PCT or with whatever random PCT they could find), then over the long haul if your T levels are dropping all that time off cycles your not making the gains you could...
Plus yea the money issue...there is so much "free" ways to gain...spend your money on some good books about training, good supplements, and a good grocery store plan...and train hard but smart, meaning you need to take into consideration rest and recovery, active recovery, lots of things...most people unless your genetics stink and your hormone levels are way low naturally, can make some good ass gains without needing the bean...
I bet if some folks just drank a gallon of milk a day, ate PBJs with bananas and honey, hard boiled eggs, tuna, chicken breasts, rice, oatmeal, and burgers, and hit the gym three times a week just doing squats, bench, deads, cleans, overhead press, chins, bent over rows, RDLs, etc, major compound movement stuff....that if they kept stuffing their face for 3-4 months and were dedicated to 3 full body workouts a week training hard, and using the days off for active recovery, stretching, foam rolling, breathing exercises, maybe walks or if youre a little chubby do interval training on the days off, you will see gains....most of us at times in our life probably didnt see gains because we didnt eat enough protein or calories, or we were not really lifting with enough full body compound movements (ie not doing 100 isolation movements a workout), and we didnt stick to a diet and gym plan long enough...\\
If your lean and a hard gainer, stuff your face and start doing some Bill Starr or Westside Barbell workouts....if youre kinda chubby, go low carb or cyclical keto diet, high protein, lots of shakes and BCAAs and EFAs, hit the major lifts and do 2-3 days a week of interval training (sprints, sleds, sledge hammer, etc)...stick with it for 3 months at least and see what happens....
Plus yea the money issue...there is so much "free" ways to gain...spend your money on some good books about training, good supplements, and a good grocery store plan...and train hard but smart, meaning you need to take into consideration rest and recovery, active recovery, lots of things...most people unless your genetics stink and your hormone levels are way low naturally, can make some good ass gains without needing the bean...
I bet if some folks just drank a gallon of milk a day, ate PBJs with bananas and honey, hard boiled eggs, tuna, chicken breasts, rice, oatmeal, and burgers, and hit the gym three times a week just doing squats, bench, deads, cleans, overhead press, chins, bent over rows, RDLs, etc, major compound movement stuff....that if they kept stuffing their face for 3-4 months and were dedicated to 3 full body workouts a week training hard, and using the days off for active recovery, stretching, foam rolling, breathing exercises, maybe walks or if youre a little chubby do interval training on the days off, you will see gains....most of us at times in our life probably didnt see gains because we didnt eat enough protein or calories, or we were not really lifting with enough full body compound movements (ie not doing 100 isolation movements a workout), and we didnt stick to a diet and gym plan long enough...\\
If your lean and a hard gainer, stuff your face and start doing some Bill Starr or Westside Barbell workouts....if youre kinda chubby, go low carb or cyclical keto diet, high protein, lots of shakes and BCAAs and EFAs, hit the major lifts and do 2-3 days a week of interval training (sprints, sleds, sledge hammer, etc)...stick with it for 3 months at least and see what happens....
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