My Training Journal

[Tblock1]

No, when I started cutting I said to myself that I would see this through and wouldnt quit half way through no matter how bad it got. When Im as lean as I want to be Im sure I will look back and say it was worth it. Besides (im hoping) its mostly temporary strength loss that will come back when I implement more calories. I can see my squat and dead dropping a bit from my midsection size dropping but shouldnt be anything too drastic.

Im actually having thoughts about going down the bodybuilding route after I finish cutting lol but that is months away so Ill try to put it out of my mind.

but you've lost 30 pounds right (215 to 186?) Any more than that is unadvisable your body will just put it right back on. Your the type of body that naturally wants to get heavy man dont go below 180 at smallest. I'm not trying to be a dick but if you go below 180 I doubt you'll get back your strength for a good year or 2. Around 185 though it shouldnt take long to get back your strength. Personally after I was done cutting I would go with the bill starr 5x5, get all my strength back, then switch to a bodybuilding style routine. You'll get pretty jacked that way

 

[ExtraMile]

but you've lost 30 pounds right (215 to 186?) Any more than that is unadvisable your body will just put it right back on. Your the type of body that naturally wants to get heavy man dont go below 180 at smallest. I'm not trying to be a dick but if you go below 180 I doubt you'll get back your strength for a good year or 2. Around 185 though it shouldnt take long to get back your strength. Personally after I was done cutting I would go with the bill starr 5x5, get all my strength back, then switch to a bodybuilding style routine. You'll get pretty jacked that way

no I have lost ~20lbs. I was at a consistent 209 and now I waver around 186-188


And yes my two main ideas to get my strength back were simple madcow 5x5, or the 5/3/1.

5x5 - weight pr's each week
5/3/1 - rep pr's for the most part

bro you dont understand, I am still not that lean. I want to have visible abs when I am relaxed, I have some decent upper abs when I tense them but very little abs at all when relaxed, as I breathe you can just see the outline of the top of my abs. My back and delt definition has come through a little more too but nothing special. I want to be leaner still and I still havnt really implemented much cardio.

I do low intensity fasted cardio every sunday for about 40mins. I try to do 15mins pwo cardio moderate intensity after every workout. Other than that nothing. So I still have a few more things to add in when weight loss stalls. Another fasted morning cardio session on Saturday for example.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Couple of things to keep in mind.

Genetics play a big role.

I can get pretty big easily and strength gains are easy to get if I eat and sleep.

That said getting lean for me is difficult and I tend to lose alot of muscle and especially strength.

Natural competitive bodybuilders are actually kinda small. When they step on stage average 5'7"-5'10" guys pretty much always come in between 165-190lbs on stage in cut condition and these are full on bodybuilders that train hard and give it every last bit they have. Certainly not what I would call jacked.

For some guys it's very difficult to have both a 6 pack and carry significant size naturally. Actually this would be most people. If you are honest with yourself you realize most guys walking around with a 6 pack aren't very big. Ya, here and there you see a guy that's pretty jacked with abs. Chances are his genetics are either better than most people's, he on the sauce or he's been busting his ass a long time, or all of the above.

I gotta be honest. I wouldn't even attempt to cut down until I was pretty sure I could sit at a very solid 200lbs at 8-10% at 5'8.5". I also wouldn't bother doing it without anabolics. Alot of guys don't realize that the bodybuilders in the late 60's and early 70's only used anabolics for like 10-12 weeks before a show to gain a little muscle and "hold on" to all the mass the have worked hard for when dieting down. All those guys were on steroids. By today's standards probably not that much, but even then you can clearly see the difference they make in holding onto mass and how big you can be while cut compared to today's natural bodybuilder's.

I'm kind of a believer in the old school way. Get fuggin big and strong regardless, and then chisel it down. For me that's like hitting 255 or so before I'd consider cutting down.

One last thing. 6 packs are pretty, but they don't mean shit if you don't have the size and strength to go with it. 185lbs or smaller with a 6 pack is nothing. 200lbs or more with a 6 pack is when you start having the size along with the definition to really be impressive looking. imho.

 

[ExtraMile]

Couple of things to keep in mind.

Genetics play a big role.

I can get pretty big easily and strength gains are easy to get if I eat and sleep.

That said getting lean for me is difficult and I tend to lose alot of muscle and especially strength.

Natural competitive bodybuilders are actually kinda small. When they step on stage average 5'7"-5'10" guys pretty much always come in between 165-190lbs on stage in cut condition and these are full on bodybuilders that train hard and give it every last bit they have. Certainly not what I would call jacked.

For some guys it's very difficult to have both a 6 pack and carry significant size naturally. Actually this would be most people. If you are honest with yourself you realize most guys walking around with a 6 pack aren't very big. Ya, here and there you see a guy that's pretty jacked with abs. Chances are his genetics are either better than most people's, he on the sauce or he's been busting his ass a long time, or all of the above.

I gotta be honest. I wouldn't even attempt to cut down until I was pretty sure I could sit at a very solid 200lbs at 8-10% at 5'8.5". I also wouldn't bother doing it without anabolics. Alot of guys don't realize that the bodybuilders in the late 60's and early 70's only used anabolics for like 10-12 weeks before a show to gain a little muscle and "hold on" to all the mass the have worked hard for when dieting down. All those guys were on steroids. By today's standards probably not that much, but even then you can clearly see the difference they make in holding onto mass and how big you can be while cut compared to today's natural bodybuilder's.

I'm kind of a believer in the old school way. Get fuggin big and strong regardless, and then chisel it down. For me that's like hitting 255 or so before I'd consider cutting down.

One last thing. 6 packs are pretty, but they don't mean shit if you don't have the size and strength to go with it. 185lbs or smaller with a 6 pack is nothing. 200lbs or more with a 6 pack is when you start having the size along with the definition to really be impressive looking. imho.

Very good points and I had all that in mind up until I started cutting, and I know it's no where near 255lbs like you said but I did manage to get up to 215lbs by the end of the day at 5 foot 7 and 15 years old so I did bulk up and try to fill out as best I could before cutting.

There where just somany reasons I wanted to loose fat, I will list Them if you want.

Besides I have said this over and over, I'm not looking to be super lean, I'm not hoping for a sixth pack. Visible upper abs when relaxed is lean enough for me. From what I have seen of pictures of other guys at various bodyfat percentages I'm guessing this will occur somewere between 12% and 15%

and to what you said about using drugs is best for cutting, that is not a route I want to take right now. Do you know I'm 16 y/o?

 

[miked8c]

There where just somany reasons I wanted to loose fat, I will list Them if you want.
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I'd be interested to hear your reasons for cutting, I was considering to do it a couple months ago.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I didn't know you were 16 years old. I wasn't recommending you do anabolics. Just giving general background on cutting down and the realities of it.

215 at 5'7" and 16 years old is pretty damn tankish. I was 167lbs at 16 and roughly the same height with a good year+ bodybuilding style training.

Honestly I would dump cutting and just focus on getting stronger and stronger and then when you hit like 19-20 cut it down. If you make consistent progress until then you will likely be strong as fuck and big enough to really rip it down and look badass come college time.

Imo.

 

[Tblock1]

I didn't know you were 16 years old. I wasn't recommending you do anabolics. Just giving general background on cutting down and the realities of it.

215 at 5'7" and 16 years old is pretty damn tankish. I was 167lbs at 16 and roughly the same height with a good year+ bodybuilding style training.

Honestly I would dump cutting and just focus on getting stronger and stronger and then when you hit like 19-20 cut it down. If you make consistent progress until then you will likely be strong as fuck and big enough to really rip it down and look badass come college time.

Imo.

dude since I've come here he's gone from 170-215 I think if he kept that up he'd be a mofucking monster by the time he was 18 but oh well

 

[ExtraMile]

wow this is a big post

I'd be interested to hear your reasons for cutting, I was considering to do it a couple months ago.

not in any order...

1. tired of being fat, aesthetic reasons
2. being fat put me in a higher up weight class in PLing and basically made my lifts look worse because I weighed more
3. had just grown out of the 198's and didnt want to compete at the bottom of the 220's
4. better health
5. needed a break from heavy lifting

to put it into perspective imagine having a really hot wife. She is so hot you get compliments from other dudes and girls all the time but for some reason you and her cannot have sex or anything of the sort. People are always saying wow it must be awesome to fuck her but you know you never have done. If you always say no its not really that awesome then people think you are just fishing for more compliments. Eventually you have to split up with the wife which sucks at the time but when its all sorted and you find a new gf/wife maybe not as hot you can start fucking her and it will be better in the long run.

well my situation was like that. I was big and people couldnt really tell I was fat so everyone was always saying how big i was and stuff and I got quite alot of compliments, and people said wow it must feel so good to be big and stuff but for me it wasnt, even though I was big I couldnt do anything with it, I couldnt show it off because I looked like shit without a shirt on. I looked good in the gym when I was lifting but when my shirt came up and my belly hung out it didnt look good lol. So on the surface to other people everyone thought it was awesome but it really wasnt and no one really understood. It was like having the hot wife but really she's hot for no reason because you cant put it to any use. I looked good in a hoodie but not much else lol. And my waist size was getting bigger. When I said to people Im really not that good looking Im pretty fat they were like "omg no your not!" and i would sound like a girl if I was always saying oooh im so fat lol.

long winded explanation but I hope you get it now lol. Im not that much better off now but my waist size has dropped alot and Im still getting smaller, granted when I wear my hoodies I no longer look as imposing and stick out in public as much but Im putting up with that for now, it kills me and makes me not want to go out the house lol.

I didn't know you were 16 years old. I wasn't recommending you do anabolics. Just giving general background on cutting down and the realities of it.

215 at 5'7" and 16 years old is pretty damn tankish. I was 167lbs at 16 and roughly the same height with a good year+ bodybuilding style training.

Honestly I would dump cutting and just focus on getting stronger and stronger and then when you hit like 19-20 cut it down. If you make consistent progress until then you will likely be strong as fuck and big enough to really rip it down and look badass come college time.

Imo.

Yes cutting would be so much better with drugs lol.

Sorry bro Im not dumping cutting, I already told you I said to myself Im going to see this through and thats what Im going to do. I already fucked up one attempt at cutting and I dont want it to happen again.

dude since I've come here he's gone from 170-215 I think if he kept that up he'd be a mofucking monster by the time he was 18 but oh well

Actually, in the last 2 years I went from 148 to 188, back down to 172 then back up to 209 (these are all weights taken when I wake up and empty my bladder)

the biggest weight I ever recorded was 215 at the end of the evening one day. When you see my before pic you will see how bloated I was. That bloat got me the 242 bench and 198x5 CGBP I was wanting for so long so its not all bad but man I look like shit, it digusts me to even look at the pics.

 

[ark94]

wow this is a big post



not in any order...

1. tired of being fat, aesthetic reasons
2. being fat put me in a higher up weight class in PLing and basically made my lifts look worse because I weighed more
3. had just grown out of the 198's and didnt want to compete at the bottom of the 220's
4. better health
5. needed a break from heavy lifting

to put it into perspective imagine having a really hot wife. She is so hot you get compliments from other dudes and girls all the time but for some reason you and her cannot have sex or anything of the sort. People are always saying wow it must be awesome to fuck her but you know you never have done. If you always say no its not really that awesome then people think you are just fishing for more compliments. Eventually you have to split up with the wife which sucks at the time but when its all sorted and you find a new gf/wife maybe not as hot you can start fucking her and it will be better in the long run.

well my situation was like that. I was big and people couldnt really tell I was fat so everyone was always saying how big i was and stuff and I got quite alot of compliments, and people said wow it must feel so good to be big and stuff but for me it wasnt, even though I was big I couldnt do anything with it, I couldnt show it off because I looked like shit without a shirt on. I looked good in the gym when I was lifting but when my shirt came up and my belly hung out it didnt look good lol. So on the surface to other people everyone thought it was awesome but it really wasnt and no one really understood. It was like having the hot wife but really she's hot for no reason because you cant put it to any use. I looked good in a hoodie but not much else lol. And my waist size was getting bigger. When I said to people Im really not that good looking Im pretty fat they were like "omg no your not!" and i would sound like a girl if I was always saying oooh im so fat lol.

long winded explanation but I hope you get it now lol. Im not that much better off now but my waist size has dropped alot and Im still getting smaller, granted when I wear my hoodies I no longer look as imposing and stick out in public as much but Im putting up with that for now, it kills me and makes me not want to go out the house lol.

Damn EM pretty deep!

nah just playing man, i love the comparison between the hot wife and you though lmao


Do people actually comment on you getting smaller? damn man that sucks, but really even if you get to your desired BF you will still probably be big without a shirt on, especially since you are shorter right?

 

[ExtraMile]

Damn EM pretty deep!

nah just playing man, i love the comparison between the hot wife and you though lmao


Do people actually comment on you getting smaller? damn man that sucks, but really even if you get to your desired BF you will still probably be big without a shirt on, especially since you are shorter right?

hey dude

lol I have had a comment saying that I dont look as broad yes. And I have just had a recution in comments on my size.

Im 5'7 so pretty short, Im hoping to grow a bit more over the next 2 years lol 5'10 would be ideal

Lol I feel so small weighing in the 180's