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thin said:
Ha ha. You want me to post some pics of muscular chicks at the thin page and see how they react? Exactly the same.
Don't dis the top two women, they will kick your ass on 20+ mile runs (so would I, I might add... I think)
i was a runner for yrs babydoll.... but i was a sprinter. call me crazy but i never found that death look really cool. maybe it just wasnt "in" at the time.
susan susan susan!!!
what are we gonna do with uuuuuuuuuuuuu?!?!?
SteelWeaver
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thin said:
OK, firstly, I'm not a diet expert. I've learnt a little through studying and these boards, but I can only tell you what that is - not if it's true or works.
Lots of people live without carbs - if you go over to the diet board in this forum, you'll find tons of Atkins dieters - but frankly, I don't think any of them are distance runners, and if they are, they're certainly not any good at it. As far as I know, extremely low or no-carb diets are used only by bodybuilders who are on (temporary) competition diets, or by supremely obese people who have a great deal of weight to lose, or by people who have a problem digesting sugars (I don't know anything about this).
No carbs = no energy. I heard somewhere that it takes up to 100g of carbs a day simply to sustain your BRAIN. What many women here do to lose fat is cycle their carb intake - go low for 2 or 3 days, then high for a day or 2, repeat process. If carbs really freak you out (something I would look at closely as a problem in itself) you could time your high days to carb up the night before or morning of a run, and go low on the days you're not running - but again, I don't know much about carb cycling for endurance athletes.
As for your comment about whippin' our asses on a 20 mile run: this is meaningless - this is a BODYBUILDING forum - nobody here is interested in running 20 miles, since their style of training and nutrition is designed around the ANAEROBIC pathways of muscular energetics. What YOU are interested in is AEROBIC exercise - the two are on OPPOSITE sides of the muscular energy continuum.
Perhaps you need to find a running and endurance sport board and ask for dietary advice there - you're likely to make more headway - I think it unlikely that bodybuilding styles of nutrition and training are suited to your goals.
I wouldn't mention there, though, your ability to whup their asses in the 20m, because frankly, I find it surprising that you are able to walk to your car, never mind run a race.
I don't wish to be mean, simply evaluating your goals in relation to where you are asking for advice.
Your performance goals are admirable if you want to be a world class marathon runner. Marathon runners rely a huge amount on fatty acid oxidation for fuel, so they need to maintain a relatively high amount of readily accessible bodyfat. You will find endurance athletes/triathletes etc....all over the world who have unremarkable physiques (ie not much muscle but a lot of bodyfat on a skinny frame). This is what they desire in life. So if this is also your goal, then by all means you should drop ALL weight training, and limit carbs to train your body to burn fats for fuel. Carbs are not enough for events over 60-90 minutes. Beyond that, ya gotta have lots of sub-Q fat and very little muscle mass to do well in marathon or ultramarathon events, Excess leg muscle is definitely a disadvantage as are excess calories. My advice again is to completely drop weight training.
SteelWeaver
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Hah - I knew I was missing something very important, but at least I had my disclaimers in there. Here's a question, though. Once an endurance athlete's glycogen stores are depleted, they fatigue somewhat, right? And their body goes into converting fatty acids for fuel? That fatigue would continue, wouldn't it, until they got some carbs, because of the longer conversion path? What if, at that point, they drink one of those carbohydrate jellies or something? Back to carbs for fuel, and a boost in energy, no? (Sorry - you read one or two books, you just gotta check it with the pros).
And in terms of calories, what about, say, the Iditarod competitors - I read somewhere that some of the male competitors go through up to 10 000 calories a day on that race. I assume they drop that by many thousands when not racing, and would not want to pack on weight they'd have to carry around, but even so, how would you define excess calories? If you're running a lot, you're gonna be burning a fair amount of fuel.
And in terms of calories, what about, say, the Iditarod competitors - I read somewhere that some of the male competitors go through up to 10 000 calories a day on that race. I assume they drop that by many thousands when not racing, and would not want to pack on weight they'd have to carry around, but even so, how would you define excess calories? If you're running a lot, you're gonna be burning a fair amount of fuel.
Thin,
We all have our own ideal of what we want ourselves to look like, and if you want to look like a distance runner, go for it. The best way, I think, would be to eat and train like one. Still, I'm betting they eat more than what you're eating.
It takes a lot of fuel to do what they do. Winning the race is their goal, not how they look - that just happens as a result. Many of them do lift weights to enhance muscular endurance and to regain strength for the next race.
Check out Runners World magazine and various running nutrition books. If you have a local running club, contact them (even if competing is not your goal) and learn about their diet and training regimen, maybe even join them for some training runs (lots of clubs let you do that). Who knows, maybe the compete bug will bite and you'll have a great time running, competing, and end up w/ the body you want in the process.
We all have our own ideal of what we want ourselves to look like, and if you want to look like a distance runner, go for it. The best way, I think, would be to eat and train like one. Still, I'm betting they eat more than what you're eating.
It takes a lot of fuel to do what they do. Winning the race is their goal, not how they look - that just happens as a result. Many of them do lift weights to enhance muscular endurance and to regain strength for the next race.
Check out Runners World magazine and various running nutrition books. If you have a local running club, contact them (even if competing is not your goal) and learn about their diet and training regimen, maybe even join them for some training runs (lots of clubs let you do that). Who knows, maybe the compete bug will bite and you'll have a great time running, competing, and end up w/ the body you want in the process.
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