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Low carb diet and seratonin levels
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Is it possible your gaining muscle while losing fat? I mean, if you ignore the scale and look at yourself objectively, maybe the diet is working very well for you. Though if I were you I would try to find alternatives to the pill if possible.
Ana, your story is just the sort of feedback I've been looking for, thanks for sharing. I agree (and Temple alluded to this) that full-time or even CKD diets are very tough to stop without major rebound. One of the 2 women I have doing very well on keto I have recommended she consider it as a lifestyle change because twice she has tried to stop and gained HUGE amounts of fat back quickly. She was clinically obese to begin with and has otherwise made good fat losses with a keto diet. So maybe folks thinking about trying a keto diet should think about their reasons. If it's just for quick weight loss for a show or a holiday then be prepared to gain the weight back once you stop. If it is for long term fatloss and maitenance, then we may be looking at a keto 'body-for-life' scenario.
And I won't be trying this keto for life diet since I am not fat, have very good insulin sensitivity, low BP, boundless energy (almost) and otherwise feel great on my modified foragers diet. And I also rebounded pretty badly after my one (4 week) attempt at CKD.
Ana, your story is just the sort of feedback I've been looking for, thanks for sharing. I agree (and Temple alluded to this) that full-time or even CKD diets are very tough to stop without major rebound. One of the 2 women I have doing very well on keto I have recommended she consider it as a lifestyle change because twice she has tried to stop and gained HUGE amounts of fat back quickly. She was clinically obese to begin with and has otherwise made good fat losses with a keto diet. So maybe folks thinking about trying a keto diet should think about their reasons. If it's just for quick weight loss for a show or a holiday then be prepared to gain the weight back once you stop. If it is for long term fatloss and maitenance, then we may be looking at a keto 'body-for-life' scenario.
And I won't be trying this keto for life diet since I am not fat, have very good insulin sensitivity, low BP, boundless energy (almost) and otherwise feel great on my modified foragers diet. And I also rebounded pretty badly after my one (4 week) attempt at CKD.
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Big Johnson
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MS MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE FEMALE ORGANISM AND ITS RESPONSE TO ESTROGEN. BUT, YOUR LEAN BODY MASS IS MOST LIKELY INCREASING, AS MOST WOMEN ARE PROTEIN DEFICIENT AND SEE AN INCREASE IN LEAN MUSCLE ON KETO DIETS. THIS INCREASED MUSCLE MASS WILL HELP RAISE YOUR METABOLISM, IMPROVE YOUR PHYSIQUE, AND GIVE YOU MORE STAMINA IN ANY PHYSICAL ENDEAVOR. IN ADDITION, ADEQUATE PROTEIN INTAKE IS ESSENTIAL FOR HEALTHY HAIR AND NAIL GROWTH, AS WELL AS PREVENTING SCAR TISSUE FROM FORMING DUE TO STRETCH MARKS OR OTHER DERMAL TRAUMA.
FOR THE RECORD, I AM NOT ON A LOW CALORIE DIET. I INTAKE ON AVERAGE 300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN, 450 GRAMS OF FAT, AND 30 GRAMS OF CARBS A DAY. THIS IS A HIGH CALORIE DIET, EVEN FOR A 220LB MALE!
I, TOO, FELT LIKE SHIT WHEN I STARTED THIS DIET. HOWEVER, AFTER TWO MONTHS I FELT BETTER THAN I HAD EVER FELT ON ANY DIET! IT WAS A NATURAL HIGH, AND I HAVE YET TO COME DOWN
TRY IT, STICK WITH IT FOR A FEW MONTHS, AND SEE IF IT WORKS FOR YOU. BUT REMEMBER, THE MORE CARBS YOU WERE EATING BEFORE YOU START THE DIET, THE LONGER IT WILL TAKE YOUR BODY TO ACCLIMATE.
trying2tone said:
MS MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE FEMALE ORGANISM AND ITS RESPONSE TO ESTROGEN. BUT, YOUR LEAN BODY MASS IS MOST LIKELY INCREASING, AS MOST WOMEN ARE PROTEIN DEFICIENT AND SEE AN INCREASE IN LEAN MUSCLE ON KETO DIETS. THIS INCREASED MUSCLE MASS WILL HELP RAISE YOUR METABOLISM, IMPROVE YOUR PHYSIQUE, AND GIVE YOU MORE STAMINA IN ANY PHYSICAL ENDEAVOR. IN ADDITION, ADEQUATE PROTEIN INTAKE IS ESSENTIAL FOR HEALTHY HAIR AND NAIL GROWTH, AS WELL AS PREVENTING SCAR TISSUE FROM FORMING DUE TO STRETCH MARKS OR OTHER DERMAL TRAUMA.
FOR THE RECORD, I AM NOT ON A LOW CALORIE DIET. I INTAKE ON AVERAGE 300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN, 450 GRAMS OF FAT, AND 30 GRAMS OF CARBS A DAY. THIS IS A HIGH CALORIE DIET, EVEN FOR A 220LB MALE!
I, TOO, FELT LIKE SHIT WHEN I STARTED THIS DIET. HOWEVER, AFTER TWO MONTHS I FELT BETTER THAN I HAD EVER FELT ON ANY DIET! IT WAS A NATURAL HIGH, AND I HAVE YET TO COME DOWN
TRY IT, STICK WITH IT FOR A FEW MONTHS, AND SEE IF IT WORKS FOR YOU. BUT REMEMBER, THE MORE CARBS YOU WERE EATING BEFORE YOU START THE DIET, THE LONGER IT WILL TAKE YOUR BODY TO ACCLIMATE.
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Big Johnson
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MS said:
YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN SOME OF THESE ARTICLES
According to S. Boyd Eaton, M.D., one of the foremost authorities on paleolithic (prehistoric) diets and a radiologist and medical anthropologist at Emory University in Atlanta, modern diets are out of sync with our genetic requirements. He makes the point that the less you eat like your ancestors, the more susceptible you'll be to coronary heart disease, cancer, diabetes and many other "diseases of civilization."1 To chart the right direction for improving your current or future nutrition, you have to understand--and often adopt--the diet of the past.
http://www.panix.com/~paleodiet/
ITS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT CACASOIDS EVOLVED IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS COLD AND MOSTLY FRUITLESS. THOUGH THERE WERE SOME SPECIES OF FRUIT AND BERRIES, CARBS WERE NOT PART OF THE EVERYDAY DIET FOR A PALEOLITHIC PERSON.
DIETS HIGH IN CARBS NOW WILL GIVE YOU PROBLEMS LATER, IF NOT NOW. YOUR "INSULIN SENSITIVITY" WON'T LAST.
Gotta agree 100% with Big J on the protein issue. I guess I am comparing 'traditional' bodybuilding bulking and cutting diets to keto diets though. In other words, I assume we're talking about women who have already seen the benefits of high protein diets (often even higher than on keto). As I've said before, for many women who have been low cal "dieting" all their lives without lasting results a keto diet works very well as long as they stay on it. Big J or Ana, do you eat keto 100% of the time? I'm assuming you do (except for the occassional blow out Ana 
) Also, I'm too cheap to buy "Protein Power" so I'm wondering what kind of vitamins, etc, they recommend to go along with the diet. Again assuming that you don't eat all your meat freshly killed and raw, liver, marrow and all I'm guessing some supplements are suggested.
Feels like a totally diff thread from the original serotonin thread. I have just re-read trying2tone's original question, and I noticed that you're using ECA. This stuff can definitely make you feel like you're PMSing, and by increasing adrenergic activity it can throw the dopaminergic:serotonergic levels out of balance so to speak. If you've only just begun taking it, give yourself a chance to get used to it. Also, please hide your scales!! They are enemy number one. You've got a "firmer and more toned body" so who cares what the scales say?
Oh yeah, thanks for the link Big J. Believe it or not I am very familiar with the different theories and facts of traditional hunter-gatherer societies. Just like you have chosen one extreme of traditional hunter diets (no doubt very modified to suit your modern lifestyle) I have chosen to base my diet on another extreme of gatherer diets very much modified to suit my modern lifestyle. There is also a happy middle-ground too. In all cases I think we can agree that minimizing insulin production is the most important goal in long term health? Or maybe we can't agree. But I think a big problem as temple pointed out, is that many modern westernized homo sapiens think they can chop and change without repercussions. Going from a McDonald' based diet to a keto diet, or any other paleolithic diet, then back to a McDonald's diet is not gonna work long-term for most folks! I don't like meat. I like veggies, fruits and grains (and yes I cook many of my grains shame on me). I thrive on this diet, as do many folks once they accept it is a lifestyle, NOT A DIET. Same prolly applies to any very low carb diet. You only have to look at the poor Eskimos who have adopted a more traditional western diet to see that it is seriously detrimental to their health.
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) Also, I'm too cheap to buy "Protein Power" so I'm wondering what kind of vitamins, etc, they recommend to go along with the diet. Again assuming that you don't eat all your meat freshly killed and raw, liver, marrow and all I'm guessing some supplements are suggested.Feels like a totally diff thread from the original serotonin thread. I have just re-read trying2tone's original question, and I noticed that you're using ECA. This stuff can definitely make you feel like you're PMSing, and by increasing adrenergic activity it can throw the dopaminergic:serotonergic levels out of balance so to speak. If you've only just begun taking it, give yourself a chance to get used to it. Also, please hide your scales!! They are enemy number one. You've got a "firmer and more toned body" so who cares what the scales say?
Oh yeah, thanks for the link Big J. Believe it or not I am very familiar with the different theories and facts of traditional hunter-gatherer societies. Just like you have chosen one extreme of traditional hunter diets (no doubt very modified to suit your modern lifestyle) I have chosen to base my diet on another extreme of gatherer diets very much modified to suit my modern lifestyle. There is also a happy middle-ground too. In all cases I think we can agree that minimizing insulin production is the most important goal in long term health? Or maybe we can't agree. But I think a big problem as temple pointed out, is that many modern westernized homo sapiens think they can chop and change without repercussions. Going from a McDonald' based diet to a keto diet, or any other paleolithic diet, then back to a McDonald's diet is not gonna work long-term for most folks! I don't like meat. I like veggies, fruits and grains (and yes I cook many of my grains shame on me). I thrive on this diet, as do many folks once they accept it is a lifestyle, NOT A DIET. Same prolly applies to any very low carb diet. You only have to look at the poor Eskimos who have adopted a more traditional western diet to see that it is seriously detrimental to their health.
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Natural One
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trying2tone:
The Trytophan(sp?) in whey protein is supposed to increase serotonin levels and EFAs have a calming effect. Also, whey seems to really work to curb the appetite. I used to get really cranky and hungry on the keto diet too. Just choose better quality foods and don't go overboard on the Xenadrine. That stuff really drains me on this diet.
The Trytophan(sp?) in whey protein is supposed to increase serotonin levels and EFAs have a calming effect. Also, whey seems to really work to curb the appetite. I used to get really cranky and hungry on the keto diet too. Just choose better quality foods and don't go overboard on the Xenadrine. That stuff really drains me on this diet.
Natural One
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trying2tone:
The Trytophan(sp?) in whey protein is supposed to increase serotonin levels and EFAs have a calming effect. Also, whey seems to really work to curb the appetite. I used to get really cranky and hungry on the keto diet too. Just choose better quality foods and don't go overboard on the Xenadrine. That stuff really drains me on this diet.
The Trytophan(sp?) in whey protein is supposed to increase serotonin levels and EFAs have a calming effect. Also, whey seems to really work to curb the appetite. I used to get really cranky and hungry on the keto diet too. Just choose better quality foods and don't go overboard on the Xenadrine. That stuff really drains me on this diet.
trying2tone
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Protein drinks
I'm using "Designer" whey protein first thing in the morning, mixed with 4oz water and 4oz milk. Man, it tastes like CRAP!! My next question is WHEN DO I EAT? I have my protein shake first thing in the am and nothing after that (except water) until I go out for a 45 minute blade. I was told you burn more calories on an empty stomach. So when I get back from my run, I usually have salad (lettuce and cucumber) and some roast chicken or turkey breast. Should eat right away or wait an hour? My problem is that I gain muscle really quickly and easily...I don't want to!! I want to be SMALLER, my pants are all getting too tight in the legs now. I am definitely toning on this diet, but gaining muscle was not really a goal, just to lose fat. It is DEFINITELY a slow process....but working!
I'm using "Designer" whey protein first thing in the morning, mixed with 4oz water and 4oz milk. Man, it tastes like CRAP!! My next question is WHEN DO I EAT? I have my protein shake first thing in the am and nothing after that (except water) until I go out for a 45 minute blade. I was told you burn more calories on an empty stomach. So when I get back from my run, I usually have salad (lettuce and cucumber) and some roast chicken or turkey breast. Should eat right away or wait an hour? My problem is that I gain muscle really quickly and easily...I don't want to!! I want to be SMALLER, my pants are all getting too tight in the legs now. I am definitely toning on this diet, but gaining muscle was not really a goal, just to lose fat. It is DEFINITELY a slow process....but working!
If you want to do cardio on an empty stomach, don't eat anything--no protein shake, nada!
When you get back from cardio, have some simple carbs in about 45 minutes, then some protein.
Don't take this personally, but I've never met a woman in real life or on-line, who doesn't claim to gain muscle easily.
Trying 2tone--if you wear a size 1, who cares what the scales say--you're not fucked up aboput body image, or weight or food, right?
When you get back from cardio, have some simple carbs in about 45 minutes, then some protein.
Don't take this personally, but I've never met a woman in real life or on-line, who doesn't claim to gain muscle easily.
Trying 2tone--if you wear a size 1, who cares what the scales say--you're not fucked up aboput body image, or weight or food, right?
