Diet is the key..

[ALIN]

i thought i should make a thread on this.. i see it everywhere that someone wants to do xxxxx amount of gear, then when you ask hows your diet look.. "well i have oats in the morning then some pop tarts then a protein shake then some chicken and i cant seem to grow" this is the main reason your not growing, your diet... all of the experenced guys and gals here will know that diet is the key, this needs to be drummed into all newbies heads, get your diet perfectly tuned first before even thinking about anabolic androgenic steroids. why use 500mg of gear when you can use 250-300mg of gear with a perfect diet and yeld the same results?? anyway just though id throw this out there. cheers

It took me years to realize this but DIET IS CRITICAL. once you learn how to use nutrition properly,,,your gains will prosper.

 

[Tatyana]

I appreciate this thread but what good is it if we keep talking about diet and the types of diets we dont like to see when we dont give good examples of what to eat? I understand if you dont eat right you shouldnt be doing gear but what I dont get is we make everyone figure shit out by themselves. Ive been searching on the diet forum for bulking and cutting diets but it appears to me that no vets post in there..they all post in the steroid section..here we are talking about diet pertaining to not using anabolic androgenic steroids's in the anabolic androgenic steroids forum. While it ties into AAS somewhat its not helping anybody.

You can tell ppl not to do something over and over and over again but it does absolutely nothing if you dont tell them why or give them advice. Personally my diet is pretty bland and I just bought the Ebook burn the fat feed the muscle to further my knowledge with the diet.

I think we should make a list of the good things to eat. I understand the whole deal about whole foods. But we need to make a list in the diet forum or here for the ppl that dont know and dont have time to read alllll these books.

heres what i eat

Eggs
Oats
Steak
Chicken
Salad
Fish

sometimes i use splenda sometimes i snack on plain yogurt with blue berries in it. What do you guys eat?

POPTART!!!! OMG!!!!!

Thanks for being honest.

I posted more foods in with the macrobiotic diet, which is whole natural foods.

It is important to eat your veggies, and to eat a WIDE RANGE of foods.

Seriously, if you don't know how to cook, and you keep eating the same old boring things, there are cookbooks, Laura Cravelle IFBB figure pro and wife to Chris Aceto has a few fab ones.


I do find it quite shocking that people don't look for recipes.

I have a great PDF, I will have to check to see if I am not breaking copyright law as it is a part of an e-book.

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[xrsist]

i knew tatyana would have alot to say about this topic

any newbies willing to post their current diet here, i and many others are willing to help fix your current diet

 

[xrsist]

your on doAgram.com forum. everyone here thinks steroids are magic. there wouldn't be a thing to spell out steroids when you type in Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - or Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . cause the only reason you have that is that no one has a fucking clue what they are doing here

your here..??

 

[marcu_s]

about diet when your on.
how often do u up the cals?

u get heavier and heavier...more musclemass...how do u plan it?

 

[Hybridtheory2o]

OK ill tell you guys what I eat every single day. I briefly described it but ill tell ya now.

Since I work different shifts at work I wake up at diff times often. but when i wake up i get about 6-7 meals down.

Meal 1-using 4 eggs i make 1 omlet and i put shredded cheese and diced ham in it to give it some zing and i eat 1cup of oats with it either the tasty stuff or ill eat the plain and put in a lil splenda brown sugar.

Snack-almonds or a bowl of plain or vanilla yogurt with blue berries in it. Or a bananna.

Meal 2-tuna with some veggies.

Meal3-Usually steak of chicken with some light marinade on it with assorted veggies or yams or sweet potatoes. If i have steak ill have some A1 steak sauce but i dont drench each piece in the sauce i use it sparingly. My sides with chicken are usually rice or veggies. Dont like asparagus or spinage.

Snack-another serving of yogurt or bowl of cereal

Meal 4 and 5 are the same as 3
sometimes ill cheat and eat some pizza (homemade with whole grain crust and low fat toppings)


I am pretty much a mesomorph and my BMR is kcals while doing absolutley nothing for 24 hours i think is how its measured..

I have gained 5 quality lbs in 2 months just about. Strength and stamina have significantly increased.

Problems- I always appear to look soft in some areas. I dont drink milk anymore but maybe its the cheese in the omlets or the yogurt? I know part of it is cuz im bulking but it just worries me becuz when I cut I know I am gunna have to work wayyy harder to get really cut up.

My diet aint perfect but it works and ive gained quality lean muscle mass. I am almost always hungry and my appetite has gone up a lot since I put on the 5 qualitylbs. Stomach also shrank and appears to be more flat but still annoying no abs showing.

I would really appreciate some help. I know I can do things to better my diet.

 

[samoth]

there wouldn't be a thing to spell out steroids when you type in Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - or Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . cause the only reason you have that is that no one has a fucking clue what they are doing here

No, it's to bring EF higher up in search engine rankings. It has nothing to do with newbies here or people not knowing what acronyms mean. It's also still in it's testing phase, so it may or may not be permanant or become a user option.

HTH.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

i thought i should make a thread on this.. i see it everywhere that someone wants to do xxxxx amount of gear, then when you ask hows your diet look.. "well i have oats in the morning then some pop tarts then a protein shake then some chicken and i cant seem to grow" this is the main reason your not growing, your diet... all of the experenced guys and gals here will know that diet is the key, this needs to be drummed into all newbies heads, get your diet perfectly tuned first before even thinking about anabolic androgenic steroids. why use 500mg of gear when you can use 250-300mg of gear with a perfect diet and yeld the same results?? anyway just though id throw this out there. cheers

Great post!!!

I get asked all the time "how do you get big?" I respond learn how to workout and learn how to eat.
When Im in bulking mode I shoot for 1 1/2 gms or more of protein per body pound, eat the right carbs and the right fats at the right time, and drink a gallon of water a day. Water I feel is so OVER LOOKED, 90% of the time when I ask someone about their water intake they DONT KNOW???
Whole foods are king when you bodybuild, shit processed foods are no fucking good! I can believe how many people post their diets and they admit to the CRAP the eat.(Good to see bros tring to help them!)
I also believe that most people dont have the complete knowledge of good and bad carbs and fats. This I believe fucks peoples diets up bad!!! I talk to guys trying to bulk up and they talk about no fat diets and low carbs because that all they hear about and then then wonder why they cant grow????????

Learning about diet and doing it right is the key!

Good post xrsist!

 

[Tatyana]

OK ill tell you guys what I eat every single day. I briefly described it but ill tell ya now.

Since I work different shifts at work I wake up at diff times often. but when i wake up i get about 6-7 meals down.

Meal 1-using 4 eggs i make 1 omlet and i put shredded cheese and diced ham in it to give it some zing and i eat 1cup of oats with it either the tasty stuff or ill eat the plain and put in a lil splenda brown sugar.

Snack-almonds or a bowl of plain or vanilla yogurt with blue berries in it. Or a bananna.

Meal 2-tuna with some veggies.

Meal3-Usually steak of chicken with some light marinade on it with assorted veggies or yams or sweet potatoes. If i have steak ill have some A1 steak sauce but i dont drench each piece in the sauce i use it sparingly. My sides with chicken are usually rice or veggies. Dont like asparagus or spinage.

Snack-another serving of yogurt or bowl of cereal

Meal 4 and 5 are the same as 3
sometimes ill cheat and eat some pizza (homemade with whole grain crust and low fat toppings)


I am pretty much a mesomorph and my BMR is kcals while doing absolutley nothing for 24 hours i think is how its measured..

I have gained 5 quality lbs in 2 months just about. Strength and stamina have significantly increased.

Problems- I always appear to look soft in some areas. I dont drink milk anymore but maybe its the cheese in the omlets or the yogurt? I know part of it is cuz im bulking but it just worries me becuz when I cut I know I am gunna have to work wayyy harder to get really cut up.

My diet aint perfect but it works and ive gained quality lean muscle mass. I am almost always hungry and my appetite has gone up a lot since I put on the 5 qualitylbs. Stomach also shrank and appears to be more flat but still annoying no abs showing.

I would really appreciate some help. I know I can do things to better my diet.

Hun,

There are two formulas to calculate BMR (basal metabolic rate) and the calories you need each day.

Until you calculate the calories, protein, carbs and fat you are taking in (that is by WEIGHING everything), and KNOW what you are taking in, for all you know you could be taking in the calories that would be good if you are dieting, or just maintaining.

To grow muscles, you need a calorie SURPLUS.

I noticed that you posted "I don't have time/or I didn't read it all" on that thread.

Become your own nutritionist.

Chris Aceto, who is the nutritionist to Jay Cutler has said, you will NEVER have your diet fully sorted unless you do all that calorie and macroutrient counting.

It is annoying and tedious and time consuming AT FIRST.

I will make the formulas more obvious in the thread, but you may want to reflect on this:

I know you have concerns, but you have seemed more interested in sticking a needle in your butt than reading 2000 words on diet and nutrition.

That is the key, right there in that thread, all the basics you need.



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[Hybridtheory2o]

I highly disagree with the last remark you made about me being concerned with sticking a needle in my butt rather than read about nutrion. Actually somewhat feels like a slap in the face to be honest...I purchased a reccomended E book I do read posts about diet I did calculate my BMR and how many calories I need to build muscle and cut. Have I taken the time yet to actually count everything? No because im new to dieting. Why would I want to overwhelm myself when im getting used to eating properly. I have postponed my AAS usage many times and have been reading for about a year before I even decided to do anything. The reason I know I am doing something right is I am gaining weight and I did drop a small % of bf. My meal portions are pretty big and I do eat often.

When you talk about all these formulas thats great but VERY overwhelming. A lot of us dont have the luxury of a pro bodybuilder to guide us at first. I am my own nutrionist. Ive already gained a solid 5lbs on my bulking diet. So I must be doing something right. I am awake different times every single day because of my work schedule. So when I get a day that I can sit there and count and weigh everything I will but until then I think you are wrong in saying you will fail if you dont have a scale and you arent calculating every single formula and macro nutrient.

I was hoping by me posting exactly what I ate somebody would discuss portion sizes with me briefly and then I could have a ballpark estimate to if I am in a surpless or defecit or just maintaining.

Ive made a lot of natural gains trust me. I have my diet pretty dialed in but some of your information is very long and overwhelming. I never said I wouldnt read what you posted I just cant sit there and read it all right now at this very moment in time. Also if you look at the dosage I wanted to run its very small and to me means I want my nutrion and training to be the foundation and this a tool to help me.

Im not asking anybody to hold my hand but I cant seem to get really any decent diet responses or any help whatsoever in it. All I see is calculate formulas and figure this out get a scale and when I do its still somewhat overwhelming. But I dont think if im competing at this moment and if I dont have a scale at this moment that I will automatically fail. My area sucks for competing so thats another battle when the time comes.