Dextrose and Dieting - Atkins/CKD

[BIGJuice]

If dextrose is added into a postworkout creatine/whey shake, will ketosis be kicked. By the way, the protein is Nitrotech with 3g carbs per scoop and prolab creatine monohydrate. I am currently on the Atkins...Does anyone know where to get mr. X's CKD spreadsheet? Thanks

 

[Stryc-9]

You'll progress just fine on the CKD as long as you only consume a moderate amount of dextrose post-workout (say 15 g or so). Following exercise, and especially on a CKD, your muscles will be glycogen starved....and the benefits of including dextrose in your post-workout shake far outweigh the losses of temporarily being removed from ketosis. Remember that you are still trying to preserve as much lean mass as possible - the dextrose will help in this respect.

I've tried it both ways and always saw better results by including a small amount of dextrose in my post-workout shake (while on a CKD). I don't know about the creatine because I don't use it on a cutting diet.

The spreadsheet is at the top of the diet forum (it's a sticky link).

 

[juve]

I agree with Stryc-9. I'd opt for about 30g's dextrose in post-workout shake. As stryc noted the purpose of CKD is to preserve as much muscle as possible. After training the cortisol levels in blood will be high and the body will continue to secrete cortisol until it finds other nutrients. Dextrose in the shake is metabolized very quickly and will induce insulin response thus 'telling' your body that you're getting a new source of energy...thus cortisol secretion will be ceased all the while your glycogen stores will be replenished and muscles supplied with aminos for repair and growth. The sooner cortisol is stopped, the more muscle you keep!
Definately go for it...cortisol doesn't help in losing quality weight...it eats the muscle while freeing very little adipose tissue for oxidation...skinny fat phenomenon anyone?!

 

[ZKaudio]

this idea always sounds good... but aren't you guys forgetting that during a ckd, you are in KETOSIS. In ketosis, you do not utilize glycogen for energy. You utilize fat. Including dextrose seems ridiculous to me. You are defeating the purpose of the diet and instead of doing a ckd, you should just try out a tkd or soemthing with limited carbs in opposition to something with no carbs.

 

[HANSEL]

thank you ZKaudio.

 

[Stryc-9]

this idea always sounds good... but aren't you guys forgetting that during a ckd, you are in KETOSIS. In ketosis, you do not utilize glycogen for energy. You utilize fat. Including dextrose seems ridiculous to me. You are defeating the purpose of the diet and instead of doing a ckd, you should just try out a tkd or soemthing with limited carbs in opposition to something with no carbs.

I'm not going to argue the point - there have been numerous debates on several boards. I recall a recent one at Anabolic Minds that never really got anywhere. From my own personal experience - it's a mistake to avoid the dextrose (even on CKD).

And I'm sorry, but physiologically speaking, it doesn't defeat the purpose of the diet....as the only relevant consideration with respect to ketosis - and the "purpose" of the diet - is making sure that liver glycogen remains depleted through the course of the cycle. Provided your workouts reach adequate intensity - and provided you don't go overboard with the dextrose - a minimal insulin spike will work directly toward refilling muscle glycogen (preventing muscle catabolism, etc., etc., and ensuring that you aren't wasting lean muscle tissue - which incidentally, actually would defeat the purpose of the diet). And not to make any unnecessary appeals to authority - but the big boys over at c-k-d.com religiously advocate getting some dextrose into your post-workout nutrition. Just my two cents.

 

[BIGJuice]

Thanks so much.. how much do you reccomend per day?

 

[dirtyboi]

If you are putting carbs in your post workout shake, won't you have to lessen the amount of carbs you take in on your carb-up? Your muscles are already gonna have some glycogen.

 

[Toozee]

Adding the carbs post workout while doing a keto-like diet would indeed workout ok and help preserve muscle if your workouts are above moderate intensity. There are several cutting diets that work this way.

But......I wouldn't call it a CKD. That's not what a ckd is.
But......it doesn't mean it won't work. I should work fine in some people. Some people won't do well on it at all.

You'll have to try it and see.

 

[ProteinFiend]

i think itd be ok... the ckd burnt all my muscles up when i didnt use carbs post workout